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Old 11-11-2014, 09:56 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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Bridge to Braves stadium moving forward | www.myajc.com

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Cobb County officials say they intend to build a bridge to link the Braves stadium and mixed-use development to thousands of parking spaces on the other side of I-285, even though one year after the announcement they still don’t know how much the bridge will cost or how the county will pay for its half.

In releasing information about the bridge the day after the Braves’ announced their move to Cobb County, Commission Chairman Tim Lee incorrectly said the bridge was included in the stadium project budget.

Today, the bridge’s design and importance have come into sharper focus, as has the fact that county taxpayers will likely be asked to cough up more money to pay for half of the bridge construction. All of that is revealed in hundreds of pages of documents — emails, reports, artist renderings and conceptual drawings — obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution under the Georgia Open Records Act.
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Old 11-11-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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as has the fact that county taxpayers will likely be asked to cough up more money to pay for half of the bridge construction.
Of course we'll have to pay for it. This whole thing has been BS from the start.
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Old 11-11-2014, 05:36 PM
 
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Typical AJC garbage. Getting news on the Braves from the AJC is like quoting an Obama article written by Rush Limbaugh.

Cobb just passed a $750 million SPLOST. I think they can find 3-4 mil to cover 1/2 of a bridge.
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Old 11-11-2014, 07:54 PM
 
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Typical AJC garbage. Getting news on the Braves from the AJC is like quoting an Obama article written by Rush Limbaugh.

Cobb just passed a $750 million SPLOST. I think they can find 3-4 mil to cover 1/2 of a bridge.
It's not going to be an 8M bridge.

Based on the sketches provided, it has traffic lanes for buses so I'd say it's a bit bigger than a simple pedestrian bridge. The 17th St bridge at Atlantic Station has a span of 829ft and cost $38M over a decade ago. It has 6 lanes but a shorter distance than the Braves bridge is estimates. Even if it's 1/3 of the cost, you're into 9 figures assuming there aren't any price right of way costs. With this cost, they might as well just build a 10 story deck adjacent and blot out the sky.

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County officials have labeled the $9 million cost estimate “conceptual.” And while it is unclear if the cost will be higher, a 290-foot pedestrian bridge over Georgia 400 cost MARTA $18.2 million to build. The final price tag after engineering was $32 million.
The fact that Cobb has no clue whether or not the bridge is paid for kind of speaks to the due diligence they did.
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:16 PM
 
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County officials have labeled the $9 million cost estimate “conceptual.” And while it is unclear if the cost will be higher, a 290-foot pedestrian bridge over Georgia 400 cost MARTA $18.2 million to build. The final price tag after engineering was $32 million.
But MARTA is been incompetent for a long time, so I wouldn't trust any figures they use as being market rate.
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Old 11-11-2014, 09:52 PM
 
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But MARTA is been incompetent for a long time, so I wouldn't trust any figures they use as being market rate.
Let's say Cobb doesn't ask Marta build the bridge...it's still a relatively long span over a very busy freeway. Those are things that make building a bridge very expensive. Do they own the land on either side as of yet? The DDI at Pleasant Hill cost $15M and they only replaced the shoulders of the old bridge and built out the DD lanes.

Tim Lee selling everyone on stadium Nov last year, claiming the shuttle friendly bridge would take folks from the Cheesecake Factory straight to the game and all funded by the money they already committed:
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/m...ew-braves.html

It was supposed to be a 3.5M bridge pulled from the $10M allocated to transportation upgrades:
Cobb Explores $3.5 Million Bridge for Braves Stadium | WABE 90.1 FM

Goal of a pedestrian/transit bridge (Jan '14):
http://www.cobbcounty.org/images/doc...an_Update1.pdf

The study alone cost 450k (paid to URS who was the former employer of Cobb DOT director Faye DiMassimo) who also estimated the bridge to run $3.5M:
Cobb approves transit study for area around Braves stadium | www.ajc.com

Now it's up to $6-9M for a pedestrian only bridge separate from the 300M+ already committed (well 400M now)...guess those shuttles will be running down Cobb Parkway:
The Marietta Daily Journal - Bridge to SunTrust Park still a question

Cobb already backing away from the $9M estimate so I'd say double that at a minimum if they plan on running shuttles on it. Sure they have the SPLOST funds or other creative funding sources but I'd say this is just the tip of the iceberg for unfunded liabilities created by this boondoggle.

Other bridge project in Cobb for comparison:
Traffic bridge over 75 for Skip Spann bridge estimates $17.8M cost:
ARCADIS-designed 'Skip Spann Connector' Bridges the Gap Between Beauty and Function

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Old 11-11-2014, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA
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I still don't get how public money is fleeced from the county populace for a private venture and no one is genuinely outraged.

Are "bread and circuses" that important?
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Old 11-12-2014, 02:56 AM
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I still don't get how public money is fleeced from the county populace for a private venture and no one is genuinely outraged. Are "bread and circuses" that important?
I don't think anyone can answer if it is "that" important because the actual cost is a matter of disagreement, but in the abstract the answer to your question is "yes" - "Bread and circuses" is important. If it wasn't then we'd still be living in caves or worse living in houses made from the bones of those who weren't as fast or fierce as we were. Why have public parks? Why have public streets? Civilization is the arrangement of the world into instances of collaborative, mutual (but not necessarily universal nor definitively balanced) benefit.

The "private venture" aspect is just a nuance, not the crux of the issue, because we are a society that values our private sector -- the achievement of public purposes through the motivation by and support of government for certain private ventures is a reflection of the American brand of capitalism. It surely isn't perfect. Open a door and people will not only walk through it but some will try to take the door and the door frame home with them. It is good to subject situations like this to intense scrutiny but it is best not to apply absolutist criteria, such as "no private benefit".
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Old 11-12-2014, 05:46 AM
 
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Just as another data point, the pedestrian friendly 5th street bridge in midtown is 250 feet long and cost $10M . . . a decade ago.
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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Cobb just passed a $750 million SPLOST. I think they can find 3-4 mil to cover 1/2 of a bridge.
Screw that. They will "find" the money because they always intended for we (Cobb taxpayers) to subsidize (welfare) for a private company (Braves) but it's absolute crap.
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