Developing new rail and bus transit in Atlanta region – a long-term play (cars, driving)

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Y'all are coming with some really ridiculous problems. Prototype self-driving-cars are already on the road logging hundreds of thousands of miles. You know what happens when there is a problem? The same as a good human driver, the car pulls over and stops. It doesn't start just trying to ram other cars off the road.



Car manufacturers can already be sued for any potential problem. It is still less liability on the whole for self-driving cars.

Taxi companies are paying for insurance for their human drivers. It will be a no-brainier for them to switch over to the cheaper insurance of self-driving-cars.

The fact that safer / lower total liability self-driving cars are self-insured by the manufacturer saving the buyer hundreds of dollars a year will be an advantage to them. Not a disadvantage.

Are those miles on desert highways or congested urban streerts were unpredictable drivers and pedestrians?

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Are those miles on desert highways or congested urban streerts were unpredictable drivers and pedestrians?

Both

Official Google Blog: The latest chapter for the self-driving car: mastering city street driving

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk3oc1Hr62g

[bu2]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Until every electrical component is manufactured in THIS country, I will vehemently oppose the introduction of self-driving cars. Too easy for a foreign government, like China, to slip some bad code into the hardware of the chip to at best create a "kill switch" that will effectively shut this country down, and at worst a command to accelerate to maximum speed and disable steering. Self-driving cars will require a level of integration and networking not even dreamed about right now to actually work, and with greater complexity comes greater potential for failure and avenues of attack. It's simply not worth the risk.

They don't need to slip any bad code in.

#1, with the complexity, there will be some bad code. Windows anyone?

And the system will need downloads for software and map updates. So there will be ways to hack and get bad code in. There may be ways to interfere with the navigation/radar system.

If you have been paying attention to the news, you know there is just no way to guarantee the safeguard of systems.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by bu2

If you have been paying attention to the news, you know there is just no way to guarantee the safeguard of systems.

Yep. Problems will happen there will be security breaches. But that will not stop them from rolling out. Considering how many people a year cars kill, the bar is very low on safety / security.

[bryantm3]

the first time one of these autonomous vehicles gets in a crash and the owner sues the manufacturer, that will be the end of the autonomous vehicle. there is no way a car company is going to take on that liability; it is just not going to happen.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

the first time one of these autonomous vehicles gets in a crash and the owner sues the manufacturer, that will be the end of the autonomous vehicle. there is no way a car company is going to take on that liability; it is just not going to happen.

Cars are already killing people every day. Autonomous vehicles have lower total liability and will be welcomed by businesses looking to decrease their risk exposure.

[MattCW]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Cars are already killing people every day. Autonomous vehicles have lower total liability and will be welcomed by businesses looking to decrease their risk exposure.

Wrong, DRIVERS are killing people every day. Unless someone can prove fault with the vehicle, which is rare, they are at fault. If a crash happens in an autonomous vehicle, then by definition, it must be the manufacturer's fault.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by cqholt

I just don't see self driving cars as part of the solution. They cannot be used on congested city streets and inclement weather.

They will if cars start to cooperate. Traffic jams can be the result of selfish driving.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Wrong, DRIVERS are killing people every day. Unless someone can prove fault with the vehicle, which is rare, they are at fault. If a crash happens in an autonomous vehicle, then by definition, it must be the manufacturer's fault.

Autonomous vehicles never tire, are always alert, can react in milliseconds, can better sense their environment, and will behave with best driving practices. We will probably see a dramatic drop in auto fatalities and injuries as a result.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

Autonomous vehicles never tire, are always alert, can react in milliseconds, can better sense their environment, and will behave with best driving practices. We will probably see a dramatic drop in auto fatalities and injuries as a result.

Exactly car manufacturers are already being sued by defects as part of crashes. They (and more so society as a whole) will be in much better shape with safer autonomous vehicles. No to mention the huge savings to individuals and taxi companies that no longer need to pay for insurance and will drive a huge demand for autonomous vehicles once they reach main stream.