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Old 04-09-2015, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, and Raleigh
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Were the teachers getting bonuses for fixing the tests?
Nope
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Old 04-09-2015, 08:30 AM
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Were the teachers getting bonuses for fixing the tests?
They got bonuses based on meeting targets for test scores.
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Old 04-09-2015, 04:47 PM
 
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Two former judges on convicted APS educators: Jail neither mandated nor appropriate | Get Schooled
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Old 04-09-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Interesting. I think the damage to their reputation has already been done. They're disgraced as educators, they'd have to find other work which they probably have no experience of now. If their entire professional life has been as an educator they have no prior work experience to help them get a job. They're starting from scratch.
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Old 04-09-2015, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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I believe a short prison stint is in order. They harmed our kids. This is t like getting caught with a joint. This damaged others. Children.
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Old 04-09-2015, 07:31 PM
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Interesting. I think the damage to their reputation has already been done. They're disgraced as educators, they'd have to find other work which they probably have no experience of now. If their entire professional life has been as an educator they have no prior work experience to help them get a job. They're starting from scratch.
Note that those 2 former judges included one who was defending Beverly Hall.
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Old 04-10-2015, 04:16 PM
 
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I believe a short prison stint is in order. They harmed our kids. This is t like getting caught with a joint. This damaged others. Children.
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Old 04-11-2015, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I believe a short prison stint is in order. They harmed our kids. This is t like getting caught with a joint. This damaged others. Children.
I normally agree with your posts, but I don't agree with this one. In the spirit of peaceful discourse, will you state a few reasons how the children were harmed?

If the dispute was over the teacher doing a bad job of teaching, then fine. That is not the dispute as I understand it though. I can understand feelings of resentment from those who had legitimately excelled; I get that. It's an epic ethical screw up that got caught on media, but I don't quite see how changing a score damaged the children.

I am a reasonable person, and maybe more relevantly, I am a realist so I'm just wanting to hear how you think the children were hurt. I'll spot you one up front that they would have flunked and perhaps had a better chance of grasping the class material - maybe so but probably not. They seem to turn into angry, bitter, embarrassed adults who fairly or not feel like underachievers and take it out on others.
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Old 04-11-2015, 09:00 AM
 
Location: n/a
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Wanted to not comment until the sentences are handed down.

Let me just provide a couple links to articles, for those who really want to educate themselves (pun intended).

The first gives a very lengthy and detailed background to what the teachers were faced with:

Wrong Answer

The second questions why they were charged with racketeering instead of actually cheating:

The Atlanta Cheating “Scandal” is also a Legal Scandal

If anybody gets the maximum sentence, I will be very surprised.

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Old 04-11-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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Children get passed on and cannot read etc when they should be held back when teachers essentially lie about the skills that children have - which is what these teachers did. Those children who had their scores changed were possibly deprived of summer school enrichmt, etc (in some cases, you can only receive it if you've failed the CRCT for example). Some parents actually do not have a ton of education and may be under the misconception that their child has suitable skills if he/she "passed." Then you have kids who have to deal with the self-esteem issues of sitting in the next grade level when they do not have the skills. Graduating illiterates. It's not just via CRCT. It is a whole system in APS - the ability to do administrative passes and kids cannot even read in high school and upper level primary...literally.
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I normally agree with your posts, but I don't agree with this one. In the spirit of peaceful discourse, will you state a few reasons how the children were harmed?

If the dispute was over the teacher doing a bad job of teaching, then fine. That is not the dispute as I understand it though. I can understand feelings of resentment from those who had legitimately excelled; I get that. It's an epic ethical screw up that got caught on media, but I don't quite see how changing a score damaged the children.

I am a reasonable person, and maybe more relevantly, I am a realist so I'm just wanting to hear how you think the children were hurt. I'll spot you one up front that they would have flunked and perhaps had a better chance of grasping the class material - maybe so but probably not. They seem to turn into angry, bitter, embarrassed adults who fairly or not feel like underachievers and take it out on others.
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