Braves Revenue Declines due to poor game attendance (Atlanta, Savannah: living in, versus)

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by atler8

Seriously, no...this will never happen for several reasons.

I am having trouble reading all of the reasons you listed.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by Zanarkand A East

Ask the Giants and A's about territorial rights

Dumbest thing the A's ever did was give up San Jose to the Giants.

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by Gulch

Dumbest thing the A's ever did was give up San Jose to the Giants.

If Cobb becomes the world class city-state that everyone expects, MLB may throw little ol' Atlanta a bone with another team

Also, I doubt they'll put another team in Texas, unless it's San Antonio, and Charlotte may get one first.

[evannole]

Originally Posted by DawgPark

Idiotic post. You act like the Olympics are coming to a rural area with 2-lane roads.

By DOT estimates, between 300,000-500,000 cars pass through the northwest corridor every afternoon rush hour.

A sold-out Braves game, at 41,000, will add on average ... 15,000 cars ... increasing the northwest corridor traffic by .... a whopping 3-5%.

And ... games will start at ~ 7:30 ... average fan will arrive after rush hour.

And ... average game will NOT be sold out ... so realistic car load is more like 10,000 cars.

Thank you for this dose of sanity.

[0nyxStation]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Parent Liberty Media Corp. says Atlanta Braves revenue fell $14 million in the firt half of 2015 - Atlanta Business Chronicle

Shocker

Have fun with your new team Cobb

Thats not low enough GP, it needs to fall much lower. 44 million would be a more satisfying number. Those Falcons looking good though.

[afdinatl]

Originally Posted by DawgPark

Idiotic post. You act like the Olympics are coming to a rural area with 2-lane roads.

By DOT estimates, between 300,000-500,000 cars pass through the northwest corridor every afternoon rush hour.

A sold-out Braves game, at 41,000, will add on average ... 15,000 cars ... increasing the northwest corridor traffic by .... a whopping 3-5%.

And ... games will start at ~ 7:30 ... average fan will arrive after rush hour.

And ... average game will NOT be sold out ... so realistic car load is more like 10,000 cars.

Idiot post.....


Traffic on a normal weekday does not clear completely until at least 7:30pm if it is no accidents/etc.

Most people are going to want to get to the game prior to 7:30pm to get drinks/food/etc. The average fan will want to arrive at least by 6:45pm to have time to park, wait in line to enter the complex, use the restroom, find their seats and to get food and drinks so they can be ready for game time. This means they will need to leave home at least by 6pm.

At 6pm on a weekday getting to Cumberland via 75 and 285 is a nightmare. Normally 75N is backed up to at least West Paces Ferry Rd. 285 W to Cumberland is backed up past 400 on a normal day. 75S from Acworth and 285E from 20 to Cumberland isn't bad because it is the reverse commute. The main problem will be 75N from Midtown and 285W from 85 to Cumberland.

You said it will be an additional 15k cars. It will probably be around 3750 cars coming 75N and 285E because the majority of the fans will come either 75S from Cobb or 285W via 400S and 85S. So at least 11K cars will come via 75S or 285W via 400S and 85S. Lets split this again. If 11k cars are coming from the northern suburbs to Cumberland that means at least 3750 cars will come 75S to Cumberland and at least 7500 cars will use 285W via 400S and 85S. That means at the peak of rush hour on 285W to Cobb there will be an additional 7500 cars on 285W from at least 6pm-7pm. Once 285W is backed up from 75 past 85 on the top end (if you are lucky) that also means that 400N from Buckhead and 400S from Alpharetta will also be jammed packed. Basically if you are coming to the Braves game east of the river its going to be a nightmare.

Even if each game doesn't sell out it will be at least 6500 additional cars on 285W to Cumberland via 400 and 85 between 6pm-7pm .
To get to the Braves stadium commuters have around 7 lanes to use on 75/85 south to Turner Field. Going to the new stadium in Cumberland with only 5 lanes on 285W via 400 and 85 to funnel an additional 6500 cars from 6pm-7pm will be horrific

[jsvh]

Yes, once traffic jams start they actually reduce capacity of a highway. A few more cars can easily tip a road into chain-reaction of full gridlock.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by DawgPark

Idiotic post. You act like the Olympics are coming to a rural area with 2-lane roads.

By DOT estimates, between 300,000-500,000 cars pass through the northwest corridor every afternoon rush hour.

A sold-out Braves game, at 41,000, will add on average ... 15,000 cars ... increasing the northwest corridor traffic by .... a whopping 3-5%.

And ... games will start at ~ 7:30 ... average fan will arrive after rush hour.

And ... average game will NOT be sold out ... so realistic car load is more like 10,000 cars.

Doesn't Liberty Media want people to arrive earlier and enjoy the 'mixed use' development and spend money there? So therefore fans will have to start arriving earlier than 7, more like at the beginning of rush hour. The HOT lanes will be of no use, sense they will be going with the majority of traffic flow, northbound. GRTA buses and any other buses The Braves use to shuttle people from other spots, will get caught in rush hour/game day traffic.

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Considering the population of the metro has increase almost four fold since the Braves moved here I don't think that is right. Politics of getting the team may be tricky but it is definitely possible for them to have plenty of support, especially if you are looking at 10 years down the line. Not to mention they already have a built-in rivalry with the Braves that will attract them many fans (like me) that still like baseball but will no longer be supporting the Braves.

Average attendance has been below 40K since 2000 despite adding 1 million people to the metro area since then so I doubt anytime soon there will be enough people clamoring for another team. Also, look at places that have two teams, the Bay Area has a whole bay separating two teams. Chicago has had 2 teams since practically forever as has New York. LA is the only one with an expansion mid century when the metro population was about to hit 7 million. Expansion isn't likely anytime soon and it's hard to see any relocating to Atlanta for a 2nd team. Charlotte would be more likely for a team. They won't add to Atlanta just because of population and the fact some fans feel scorned.

[cqholt]

Atlanta will never get a 2nd MLB team.