Stats that show the Atlanta Streetcar was a complete and utter failure of epic proportion (living, vs.)

[MattCW]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Our movements are already tracked (cellphones, traffic cameras, CCTV, etc.) as well as our spending habits and what we research on Amazon.

And we need to work to reduce that rather than increase it. Plus there's a huge difference in data scattered all over the place, and handing that same information over on a silver platter with footnotes!

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by cqholt

If you aren't doing anything illegal or trying to hide something, why are you worried?

Because we the people have rights, that's why.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by cqholt

If you aren't doing anything illegal or trying to hide something, why are you worried?

So you'd be okay with government employees dropping to look through your house, your computer, your phone, your car, your photographs, etc.?

Not that they're planning to do anything right away, just so they'll have an up to date record of your likes and dislikes, where you and your family are spending your time, who you hang out with, and so forth.

[sholomar]

They're doing this streetcar thing in Milwaukee.. what a big waste of money/joke it is. People like to drive on their own terms and time. They don't want to wait around a half hour for a streetcar and I hear comments about how these should be expanded 50-100 miles or more. With self driving cars on the way this is just a tremendous money sink that NOBODY will ever use.

People make the argument about now having to focus on the road but in 10 years we won't even have that problem. Cars are time tested, getting more energy efficient by the year, and getting more intelligent by the year. Better to maintain the existing road system than try to cram a streetcar in there that will not only slow down traffic, but has to slow down for traffic, and that nobody will EVER use outside a handful of people while the taxpayers subsidize the whole thing.

Take a bus.

The proponents of these expensive multi-state high speed rail systems don't look at how fast self driving cars are going to enter the picture, especially for interstate use.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by stockwiz

They're doing this streetcar thing in Milwaukee.. what a big waste of money/joke it is. People like to drive on their own terms and time. They don't want to wait around a half hour for a streetcar and I hear comments about how these should be expanded 50-100 miles or more. With self driving cars on the way this is just a tremendous money sink that NOBODY will ever use.

People make the argument about now having to focus on the road but in 10 years we won't even have that problem. Cars are time tested, getting more energy efficient by the year, and getting more intelligent by the year. Better to maintain the existing road system than try to cram a streetcar in there that will not only slow down traffic, but has to slow down for traffic, and that nobody will EVER use outside a handful of people while the taxpayers subsidize the whole thing.

Take a bus.

The proponents of these expensive multi-state high speed rail systems don't look at how fast self driving cars are going to enter the picture, especially for interstate use.

[magnetar]

"Stockwiz" has spoken, ladies and gentlemen.

[primaltech]

Streetcars are a useless waste of money in a city designed for, and dominated by cars. That's why Atlanta needs to change.

Make every street a transit street, with cars relegated to 1 or 2 lanes, with dedicated transit lanes and signal priority. Make every sidewalk a wide pedestrian area. Encourage pedestrian scale at every turn, with zoning changes and developments.

Then put the streetcar on a 100-mile footprint going everywhere in the whole city, rather than just one single 2-mile loop. And run a streetcar every 10 minutes. Invest the money into it, to make it something great.

Then the streetcars will be full of people every day. You have to change the culture. And you can't do transit half-ass.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by primaltech

Streetcars are a useless waste of money in a city designed for, and dominated by cars. That's why Atlanta needs to change.

Make every street a transit street, with cars relegated to 1 or 2 lanes, with dedicated transit lanes and signal priority. Make every sidewalk a wide pedestrian area. Encourage pedestrian scale at every turn, with zoning changes and developments.

Then put the streetcar on a 100-mile footprint going everywhere in the whole city, rather than just one single 2-mile loop. And run a streetcar every 10 minutes. Invest the money into it, to make it something great.

Then the streetcars will be full of people every day. You have to change the culture. And you can't do transit half-ass.

Did you actually think that loop was going to be it?

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by stockwiz

They're doing this streetcar thing in Milwaukee.. what a big waste of money/joke it is. People like to drive on their own terms and time. They don't want to wait around a half hour for a streetcar and I hear comments about how these should be expanded 50-100 miles or more. With self driving cars on the way this is just a tremendous money sink that NOBODY will ever use.

People make the argument about now having to focus on the road but in 10 years we won't even have that problem. Cars are time tested, getting more energy efficient by the year, and getting more intelligent by the year. Better to maintain the existing road system than try to cram a streetcar in there that will not only slow down traffic, but has to slow down for traffic, and that nobody will EVER use outside a handful of people while the taxpayers subsidize the whole thing.

Take a bus.

The proponents of these expensive multi-state high speed rail systems don't look at how fast self driving cars are going to enter the picture, especially for interstate use.

So which car company is bribing you to write that drivel?

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by Gulch

So which car company is bribing you to write that drivel?

Naw, they probably can only get off to a flame war. Luckily, this one is pretty obvious at enticing.