12-20-2015, 04:48 PM
Location: Atlanta
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I would whole heartily fight a transfer of the Beltline corridor from a pedestrian/LRT corridor to HRT. That is INSANE. The Beltline is the greatest thing to happen to Atlanta since MARTA itself. I don't care who is behind it, it won't happen. This will make the freeway revolts look like a form letter to a congressman.
Beltline >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Commuter Rail (and I want commuter rail)
12-20-2015, 05:05 PM
Location: Prescott, AZ
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It's option 1.
Not necessarily too lengthy. Public property appropriation by higher public agencies is a good deal faster than say acquisition of private land.
Matt, as much as I generally agree with you and appreciate your input / info, I sure do hope you're wrong about this. All you need to see is:
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I would whole heartily fight a transfer of the Beltline corridor from a pedestrian/LRT corridor to HRT. That is INSANE. The Beltline is the greatest thing to happen to Atlanta since MARTA itself. I don't care who is behind it, it won't happen. This will make the freeway revolts look like a form letter to a congressman.
Beltline >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Commuter Rail (and I want commuter rail)
Not that you can do much about it, if it is in fact something the state is working on, but I would hope, whoever is planning it, realizes the pushback they're about to experience.
Not only will they have the city and ABI fighting that plan, but they will have pretty much every person along the East Side corridor too. They will have every business that opened its doors towards the trails. They will have a huge swath of people who use that trail (and there are A LOT who do). They will have neighborhoods, conservatories, and organizations all amassing against it. Heck, they'll have pro and anti transit folks alike up in arms as they try and set it up to tear out a VERY heavily used section of urban design.
As much as I like the idea of the state finally caring enough to push for commuter rail, I can't say I see them caring enough to try and run rails through the East Side like that. To whoever is planning on it, I say that it'd be much more worth their time to try and get the railroads to work together to redesign Howel Y, and its approach tracks. A state-lead, public / private funded effort to redo that whole interchange would be far more beneficial to everyone than rebuilding the BeltLine for commuter rail.
12-20-2015, 05:24 PM
Location: NW Atlanta
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Matt, as much as I generally agree with you and appreciate your input / info, I sure do hope you're wrong about this. All you need to see is:
Not that you can do much about it, if it is in fact something the state is working on, but I would hope, whoever is planning it, realizes the pushback they're about to experience.
Not only will they have the city and ABI fighting that plan, but they will have pretty much every person along the East Side corridor too. They will have every business that opened its doors towards the trails. They will have a huge swath of people who use that trail (and there are A LOT who do). They will have neighborhoods, conservatories, and organizations all amassing against it. Heck, they'll have pro and anti transit folks alike up in arms as they try and set it up to tear out a VERY heavily used section of urban design.
As much as I like the idea of the state finally caring enough to push for commuter rail, I can't say I see them caring enough to try and run rails through the East Side like that. To whoever is planning on it, I say that it'd be much more worth their time to try and get the railroads to work together to redesign Howel Y, and its approach tracks. A state-lead, public / private funded effort to redo that whole interchange would be far more beneficial to everyone than rebuilding the BeltLine for commuter rail.
Bingo. Assuming the state was that desperate to attempt this (they aren't), if the 1970s-era GDOT (at the peak of its highway-building prowess) couldn't get a freeway through the "declining" Eastside intown neighborhoods, then there is no way they would be able to cram commuter rail through the same (now much more politically powerful and affluent) area, especially if it meant destroying the centerpiece of the Beltline.
Also, the City of Atlanta wouldn't allow it and GDOT isn't stupid enough to try to run roughshod over them, nor do they have an interest in doing so.
12-20-2015, 05:50 PM
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fourthwarden
...
As much as I like the idea of the state finally caring enough to push for commuter rail, I can't say I see them caring enough to try and run rails through the East Side like that. To whoever is planning on it, I say that it'd be much more worth their time to try and get the railroads to work together to redesign Howel Y, and its approach tracks. A state-lead, public / private funded effort to redo that whole interchange would be far more beneficial to everyone than rebuilding the BeltLine for commuter rail.
^^^^^^
This.
http://tracktwentynine.blogspot.com/...tlanta_21.html
12-20-2015, 06:16 PM
Location: Prescott, AZ
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Don't get me wrong. I understand the problems with trying to use Howel Y as it is, and how that generally makes this plan a problem, but I think that's a much more practical engineering problem than then political one that'll come from trying to turn the Eastside Trail back into rail.
I am not a track engineer, however, and accept that I can very well be wrong about this. At the very least, there appears to be room to build a parallel track for dedicated commuter rail that bypasses / is separate from the interchanges and crossovers. Furthermore, generally shorter and lighter commuter trains would probably fare better from aerials over / tunnels under such over-capacity junctions.
12-20-2015, 06:26 PM
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Don't get me wrong. I understand the problems with trying to use Howel Y as it is, and how that generally makes this plan a problem, but I think that's a much more practical engineering problem than then political one that'll come from trying to turn the Eastside Trail back into rail.
I am not a track engineer, however, and accept that I can very well be wrong about this. At the very least, there appears to be room to build a parallel track for dedicated commuter rail that bypasses / is separate from the interchanges and crossovers. Furthermore, generally shorter and lighter commuter trains would probably fare better from aerials over / tunnels under such over-capacity junctions.
Agreed.
12-21-2015, 05:23 AM
Location: Kirkwood
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Rebranding MARTA is a waste if money. Look at CCT's $300K spent on changing their brand to CobbLinc. MARTA is already a state-level agency, but can only operate in counties that have passed the sales tax.
As far as MattCW's proposal to run commuter trains along the ex-Inman Belt, that is nearly impossible. The neighborhoods, and businesses (PCM) that setup along the corridor would protest and throw all kinds of money at preventing the plan.
12-21-2015, 07:20 AM
Location: City of Trees
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Instead of rebranding a nearly 40-year-old transit agency, people should rebrand their 40-year-old biases. When you get tired of being stuck in your cars with no options, MARTA will be waiting, as soon as you pay your share.
12-21-2015, 07:58 AM
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[quote=MattCW;42348179]
Wrong. The buses are at and above capacity which is impressive considering they are quite a bit slower than even driving, and far slower than rail service would be. So if anything, it proves that commuter rail makes LOTS of sense.
The comment was that the buses weren't full. If they are, you can run articulated buses or more frequent buses. Express buses using HOV/HOT lanes are VASTLY faster than rail which makes a bunch of stops. Not only that, but they can drop you off much closer to your destination. Further, their lower capacity means they have more frequent, convenient service. And if the route isn't working, you simply discontinue it and use the assets elsewhere. You need really large ridership numbers to justify rail over bus.
What??? You do realize that passenger trains and freight trains co-mingle all the time right? That's kind of how Amtrak operates. So it's actually far more appropriate and consistent to put passenger rail on freight tracks .
I was making fun of their arguments. Hence the smiley face. However, those silly arguments carried the day. And you missed what I was laughing about. They had rail for a century, long before there was a neighborhood, yet they thought rail was somehow inconsistent. It was ludicrous. And they seem to think light rail is somehow significantly different than heavy rail. Also ludicrous. The green line only runs 3 car trains.
12-21-2015, 01:42 PM
Location: Atlanta - Midtown
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Instead of rebranding a nearly 40-year-old transit agency, people should rebrand their 40-year-old biases. When you get tired of being stuck in your cars with no options, MARTA will be waiting, as soon as you pay your share.
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People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)