While we can't even get new stations built, NYC is already planning to overhaul theirs (Madison: 2015, loan)

[Sualpine]

Cuomo Expected to Announce Plan For Penn Station Overhaul Wednesday, January 6, 2016, by Zoe Rosenberg

[Rendering of an overhauled Penn Station without Madison Square Garden by DBOX via MAS.]
Governor Cuomo is expected to revive a plan to overhaul Penn Station, with several sources close to the governor telling the Wall Street Journal that Cuomo may announce plans as early as this week. Part of the overhaul is expected to involve rebooting the Moynihan Station plan that involves transferring Amtrak's waiting area to the neighboring James A. Farley Post Office Building, which would be major for bringing the jam-packed terminal out of the dark ages—literally. Cuomo's plan will focus on bringing more light and air to the labyrinthine terminal that's often likened to hell. Once Amtrak's waiting area is relocated, the redevelopment of the station's other concourses could move forward.

Sources told the Journal that part of the redevelopment discussion involves relocating Madison Square Garden from atop the terminal, which would allow more light and air into the existing station. How Cuomo's announcement will affect the decade-old agreement the state made when tapping developers Vornado and Related Companies to develop Moynihan Station is unclear, but Cuomo's dissatisfaction with how the project has been progressing to date bubbled up a few weeks ago when the Times reported that Cuomo was considering dumping the developers. The Journal reports that ending the agreement will be costly, but the penalties will likely be minor compared to the overall cost of the project.
The first phase of the Moynihan Station development is expected to wrap-up this year, allowing passengers to exit on the west side of Eighth Avenue.
· Gov. Cuomo to Back a Penn Station Overhaul [WSJ]

Cuomo Expected to Announce Plan For Penn Station Overhaul - Transportation Watch - Curbed NY

Really puts our MARTA situation in perspective.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

NYC has state funding, MARTA does not. The comparisons are pointless.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by Sualpine

Cuomo Expected to Announce Plan For Penn Station Overhaul - Transportation Watch - Curbed NY

Really puts our MARTA situation in perspective.

MTA gets state funding, property tax funding, and part of the tolls collected by MTA bridges and tunnels. It is also the largest holder of debt, outside of the federal government. Comparing MARTA to MTA is impossible. Most of MTA's lines were built by private companies.
MTA - Transportation Network

[Sualpine]

Yes, and why can't we change this?

[alco89]

"While we can't even get new stations built, NYC is already planning to overhaul theirs"

Ok, so?

You make it sound like overhauling is some incredible feat vs. building new stations/lines. And some of their stations are a century old while most of ours aren't even 40. Adding in differences in population density, political climate, and funding between the 2 systems makes this thread super pointless.

[primaltech]

Originally Posted by Sualpine

Yes, and why can't we change this?

Because Republicans. Duh...

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by Sualpine

Cuomo Expected to Announce Plan For Penn Station Overhaul - Transportation Watch - Curbed NY

Really puts our MARTA situation in perspective.

You've asked a legit. question and I don't see a problem with it.

All I know is a lot of people in the suburbs have repeatedly voted down MARTA extending into their county (ies). Gwinnett last time I remember voted it down. Not sure if this has changed. I think Cobb did the same.

People have to want MARTA. People have to demand MARTA. If the people are not ready for it, nothing will move. They also have to be willing to help pay for MARTA. New Yorkers and Georgians (I'm talking about metro and city people) have different mindsets when it comes to public transit.

[Gulch]

Ah yes, the bloated Penn Station fiasco. Not the wisest example to use...

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by DreamerD

You've asked a legit. question and I don't see a problem with it.

All I know is a lot of people in the suburbs have repeatedly voted down MARTA extending into their county (ies). Gwinnett last time I remember voted it down. Not sure if this has changed. I think Cobb did the same.

People have to want MARTA. People have to demand MARTA. If the people are not ready for it, nothing will move. They also have to be willing to help pay for MARTA. New Yorkers and Georgians (I'm talking about metro and city people) have different mindsets when it comes to public transit.

Last time they voted was in 1965 (Cobb) and 1990 (Gwinnett). So not really repeatedly.

[Atlwarrior]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

NYC has state funding, MARTA does not. The comparisons are pointless.

Exactly!