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Old 01-29-2016, 04:14 AM
 
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Why is it in cases like these that anti-suburb people now want to "claim" the millions of people outside the city of Atlanta, but in other cases they act as if these same places are remote villages with minimal impact on making this metro what it is? Hmmm.
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Old 01-29-2016, 04:26 AM
 
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Why is it in cases like these that anti-suburb people now want to "claim" the millions of people outside the city of Atlanta, but in other cases they act as if these same places are remote villages with minimal impact on making this metro what it is? Hmmm.
It's actually the suburbs who like to believe they can survive without Atlanta
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Old 01-29-2016, 06:55 AM
 
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It's actually the suburbs who like to believe they can survive without Atlanta
I'd say that both depend on the other. However, if 400,00 people live in the city, and everyone else is outside of it, then it really should reinforce the reliance of the city on the surrounding counties, cities and communities.
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Old 01-29-2016, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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Lets face it: neither would be what it is without the other. We are all in this together.
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Old 01-29-2016, 07:53 AM
 
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To the point of the article cited in the original post, metro Charlotte doesn't have anything near the level of balkanization found in metro Atlanta, nor do many of Atlanta's actual peer metros for that matter.
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Old 01-29-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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I didn't mean that not being the site of North Carolina's state capital and being in a state with other relatively large metros (like Raleigh and Greensboro) was a hindrance for a city/metro like Charlotte as much as (despite the vitriol often directed towards Atlanta by much of the rest of Georgia historically) being the site of Georgia's state capital has often been a benefit for a city/metro like Atlanta.

Being the site of Georgia's state capital and being the sole focal point of the state as the largest and most dominant metro area in the state of Georgia has more often than not been a major benefit for Atlanta.

Because it is the site of Georgia's state capital and the only large major metro region in the state, Atlanta has had the benefit of its state government making some big investments both in the city (state government investments in the Atlanta city/ like the Georgia World Congress Center, the Georgia Dome, the Freeing-the-Freeways reconstruction project of the 1980's and the continuing expansion of the Georgia State University campus in Downtown Atlanta) and on behalf of the city/metro in other parts of the state (like the continued expansion of the major international seaport at Savannah).
Do you think Atlanta wouldn't have been the recipient of the vast majority, if not all, of this investment had it not been the state capital but still been the largest city/metro in the state? That certainly hasn't been true of Miami, Houston, Dallas, Chicago, Philly, LA, etc.

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Meanwhile, while it is the largest city and metro in the state of North Carolina, a large major city/metro area like Charlotte is not the only large metro area in the state of NC which has two other large metro regions in Greensboro/Winston-Salem (the Triad) and Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill (the Triangle).

The Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill (the Triangle) region is notable because the largest city in the region (Raleigh) is the site of North Carolina's state capital. The Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill region is also the site of 2 major state-funded research universities (the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and North Carolina State University in Raleigh), 1 large state-funded HBCU (North Carolina Central University) and 1 large Ivy League-caliber private university (Duke University).

Because the Raleigh/Durham region is the site of North Carolina's state capital and 3 large state-funded universities and 1 large Ivy League-caliber private university, despite being the largest city/metro in North Carolina, the Charlotte area has had to compete for funding and attention from North Carolina state government with the Raleigh/Durham region which because of its major public and private assets seems to have a substantial advantage for state funding and attention from NC state government.
You're making an argument about Charlotte having to share the wealth because of other sizable metros in the state, which is a valid point; one of them just happens to be the state capital but that's not a major factor in that statewide dynamic. Tallahassee is the capital of Florida but it's not a major metro, so it doesn't really compete with Miami, the Tampa Bay area, Orlando, and Jacksonville. In Alabama, Birmingham, Huntsville, and Mobile are all ahead of Montgomery. And so on and so forth.
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Old 01-29-2016, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I always thought it would be a forward move to connect Atlanta, Greenville and Charlotte with High Speed Rail. I mean, demographically speaking it would be a great move to connect the Piedmont region. Def a forward move. Kinda like Bosh Wash but a smaller scale. For our region and the economies we have it would def boost and spur growth. Think about our economy, the small scale economy of Greenville and connect that with Charlotte? People could move so freely, transfer of ideas, etc....
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Old 01-29-2016, 10:22 AM
 
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I just think articles like the one posted in the OP are pointless in a way cause ultimately, Charlotte is yrs behind Atlanta, but we have to admit we are in the same region, and as a "region" we could see tremendous growth by putting brains together instead of separate. Lets be honest ATL is the king, and Charlotte is the growing side city with a punch....Plus, NC does have the triad, and "ATL metro" is reaching 6 million. I read about TX plans to build high speed rail between DAL and HOU and that really is the way of the future. Traveling by car to a neighboring city seems so obsolete when you can take a cleaner alternative and enjoy the scenery.

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Old 01-30-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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Both the D.C. Metrorail and BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) high-capacity transit systems (both regional/sub-regional HRT systems which MARTA was intended to be modeled after) have Heavy Rail Transit lines that operate as far away as 25 miles from the urban core into the suburbs.

The D.C. Metro system's Silver HRT Line currently operates to the Wiehle-Reston East Metro Station which is about 20 miles away from Downtown Washington D.C. The D.C. Metro's Silver HRT Line is also in the process of being expanded 11.5 more miles (by way of a new stop at Washington Dulles International Airport) to Ashburn in outer-suburban Loudoun County, Virginia where the now-increasingly moderate/progressive outer-suburban political scene has traditionally resembled the conservative staunchly anti-transit political scenes of outer-suburban metro Atlanta counties like Forsyth and Cherokee (and Cobb and Gwinnett in the past).

When the D.C. Metro Silver HRT Line is complete, it will be about 41 miles in length and operate out to the Ashburn area of Loudoun County, Virginia which is about 33 miles away from Downtown Washington D.C.

BART's Pittsburg/Bay Point-SFO/Millbrae HRT Line is over 55 miles in length operates out to the Pittsburg-Bay Point BART Station which is about 36 miles away from Downtown San Francisco (San Francisco's Financial District) which is the traditional focal point of the San Francisco Bay Area metro region which features multiple urban cores and hubs.

The BART Heavy Rail Transit system is notable because it was built as a regional HRT system that is intended to function almost like a regional commuter rail system of sorts but with Heavy Rail Transit technology....Which seems to be how MARTA was intended to function in the Atlanta region...as a regional or sub-regional commuter rail system that employs HRT technology.

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So true. Good points. It's important for people to understand what is possible in Metro Atlanta.

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Old 01-30-2016, 02:09 PM
 
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so true. Good points. It's important for people to understand what is possible in metro atlanta.

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