I'm all for gentrification. (Atlanta, Buckhead: 2013, crime rates, taxes)

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by Forhall

You can't put a nice shop in an area of things are going to come rob it.

Is it racist? Not necessarily. [b] After all, you can look at the Atlanta police department crime reports and plainly see that many years EVERY SINGLE HOMICIDE in the city is committed by African Americans. Most years it is 90%+.

first off, you can't call black people "things" and accuse them of killing everyone and say that's "not necessarily racist". i would like to see you experience one damn day of being a black person. but you know what? let's take this from a different angle. have you noticed that EVERY SINGLE HOMICIDE in the city is committed by a MAN? look at those police reports again. if you want to kick out black residents, fine, but we're kicking out all these testosterone-loaded maniacs too.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

first off, you can't call black people "things" and accuse them of killing everyone and say that's "not necessarily racist". i would like to see you experience one damn day of being a black person. but you know what? let's take this from a different angle. have you noticed that EVERY SINGLE HOMICIDE in the city is committed by a MAN? look at those police reports again. if you want to kick out black residents, fine, but we're kicking out all these testosterone-loaded maniacs too.

Things was a typo. It was supposed to say thugs.

But, yes, you're right it is men more than women. So strictly speaking the main issue causing most of Atlanta's crime is African American males.

I never said I want to kick out black residents. I hope Atlanta stays diverse because it's one of this city's strengths. What I said was that nearly every homicide in Atlanta is committed by African Americans and thus gentrification by default is going to displace more black residents because they are the ones committing the crime. It doesn't mean they have to be replaced with white people. They can be kicked out and replaced with other black families, and if those black families are honest productive people then they too are part of gentrification. Gentrification doesn't mean replacing black with white, it means replacing criminals with productive members of society so that an area becomes saf, clean, and nice.

You say I should experience being a black person. I hear you, it's rough. Racism is still alive and well. But at some point you have to stop and think maybe there's a reason people have preconceived notions, and you have to work to change those. When every homicide in a large city is committed by one race you can't blame people for being a bit skittish.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by Forhall

After all, you can look at the Atlanta police department crime reports and plainly see that many years EVERY SINGLE HOMICIDE in the city is committed by African Americans. Most years it is 90%+.

Is that true? It seems rather hard to believe.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Is that true? It seems rather hard to believe.

I looked through the APD reports for this year and so far it's true. I would caution taking that as any statement, though, since the city itself is such a small percentage of the metro, and is such a majority black population.

You'll likely see more whites committing homicides outside the city than within it. The numbers for the metro probably scale pretty well to the population and poverty stats, though that's a bit more invested analysis than I am up for.

[bryantm3]

5 Facts That Shatter the Myth of 'Black-on-Black' Crime

[fieldm]

Originally Posted by Forhall

Gentrification is a wonderful thing. It's why property values are going up throughout Atlanta, and why people can actual walk around and not get shot. It's also why we are getting all of the investment in midtown, food halls, the beltline, etc. Guess what? People don't invest in ghettos. You can't put a nice shop in an area of things are going to come rob it. Gentrification is the only thing SAVING Atlanta.

Is it racist? Not necessarily. All races are part of gentrification. Wealthy educated African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and whites are all part of the new wave of people gentrifying Atlanta. Are the "undesirables" being pushed out mostly black? Yes, they are. Unfortunately, the vast majority of crime in Atlanta is committed by black residents, so in order for areas to truly become safe it makes sense that the ones being pushed out are black. After all, you can look at the Atlanta police department crime reports and plainly see that many years EVERY SINGLE HOMICIDE in the city is committed by African Americans. Most years it is 90%+. But it doesn't mean they have to be replaced by white people. Many times they are replaced by more affluent black families.

Its like this because most of the poor Atlanta residents are black. If you look at the police report in Johnstown ,PA, Seattle, Boston etc it will be majority white people arrested for crimes

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

I looked through the APD reports for this year and so far it's true. I would caution taking that as any statement, though, since the city itself is such a small percentage of the metro, and is such a majority black population.

Well, the city is just barely majority black.

It's hard to believe that all (or even nearly all) homicides are committed by black people.

[TheTravelinMan]

I think what I find very galling is you have neighborhoods where for decades the community hasn't done anything to improve their neighborhood, trash everywhere etc. Then when some people come in and start fixing things up they actually complain that the area might become too nice and 'gentrified'. Give me a break.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Well, the city is just barely majority black.

It's hard to believe that all (or even nearly all) homicides are committed by black people.

Hard to believe, but true. APD puts race on their reports. All homicides this year have been committed by black residents. And most years it is usually 90% or more. They do make up a majority of the population, but it's not substantial - Atlanta is about 50% AA versus 40% white.

I don't know why it's so hard to believe. A lot of people instinctively cry racism when statistics are discussed but there is nothing racist about a set of numbers. The reality is that black residents comitt a disproportionatly large amount of the crime in Atlanta.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

5 Facts That Shatter the Myth of 'Black-on-Black' Crime

This article is horrible and proves my point even more. It has FBI crime stats showing that 448 black people killed white people versus only 193 white people killing blacks...despite the US being 72% white and 13% black.

It also showed that th 13% black population committed a total of 2,895 murders in 2011 FBI crime date versus the 72% white population committing a total of 2,823.

Those are NOT good statistics. If you're trying to dispel the black crime statistics that isn't the article you should be posting.