I'm all for gentrification. (Atlanta, Dallas: how much, safe area, living in)

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by Forhall

We all would love to lift everyone out of poverty and have no more crime or urban blight. But, we can't. There aren't enough resources, and some people just don't want to be productive. We all imagine the single mother who wants to work but can't find a job or affordable child care, but for everyone of her there are 3 or 4 thugs who CHOSE to join a gang rather than finish high school. They CHOOSE to spend their time robbing from hardworking people than working for their own income. They would rather kill and take than sit down and work on a resume and get a job. And unfortunately no amount of resources poured into bad neighborhoods is going to reach those kind of people. Some people have grown up watching the thug life be glorified by their friends, and in rap songs, and they just want to be part of it regardless of what assistance the government is willing to give them.

So, of the 42,700,000 Americans in poverty, you say that a full 3/4 or 4/5 of them are criminals? Is that your thought process?

[toll_booth]

I would probably be fine with gentrification if the people displaced were given affordable housing that was at least as good in quality and location as what they previously had. Unfortunately that is not what is happening--they're just removed and left to fend for themselves. That's one reason why poverty is emigrating to the suburbs.

Gentrification by itself solves nothing. It just moves the problem--poverty--from one place to another.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by Forhall

We all would love to lift everyone out of poverty and have no more crime or urban blight. But, we can't. There aren't enough resources, and some people just don't want to be productive. We all imagine the single mother who wants to work but can't find a job or affordable child care, but for everyone of her there are 3 or 4 thugs who CHOSE to join a gang rather than finish high school. They CHOOSE to spend their time robbing from hardworking people than working for their own income. They would rather kill and take than sit down and work on a resume and get a job. And unfortunately no amount of resources poured into bad neighborhoods is going to reach those kind of people. Some people have grown up watching the thug life be glorified by their friends, and in rap songs, and they just want to be part of it regardless of what assistance the government is willing to give them.

I do not have enough facepalms in the world for that ridiculous post.

Tell me, where did you get all this information? Where did you learn how poverty works and how to treat it? And what is up with the thinly-veiled racism, which any black person could see a mile away in your words?

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Forhall

We all would love to lift everyone out of poverty and have no more crime or urban blight. But, we can't. There aren't enough resources, and some people just don't want to be productive. We all imagine the single mother who wants to work but can't find a job or affordable child care, but for everyone of her there are 3 or 4 thugs who CHOSE to join a gang rather than finish high school. They CHOOSE to spend their time robbing from hardworking people than working for their own income. They would rather kill and take than sit down and work on a resume and get a job. And unfortunately no amount of resources poured into bad neighborhoods is going to reach those kind of people. Some people have grown up watching the thug life be glorified by their friends, and in rap songs, and they just want to be part of it regardless of what assistance the government is willing to give them.

The error with this line is most people who live in "hoods" are not criminals

It more like for every few hundreds of people the hood there is only a dozen or so criminals. Most people in hoods are not criminals, most people in hoods are lower income people who obey laws.

This is the slippery slope why people respond to OP, his post wasn't about uplifting the people in the neighborhood it's removing the neighborhood.


This is also why this always turn into race. Because there such a lack of empathy. Sadly even in today much improve race relation.

it comes of as the people in the 'hood" are not my people.... there for I do not care for them...... it's their problems not ours...... there no hope for them... I don't care to understand them, I will generalize, profile and speak very ignorant of them.......

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Forhall

We all would love to lift everyone out of poverty and have no more crime or urban blight. But, we can't. There aren't enough resources, and some people just don't want to be productive.

But there's a LOT of room for improvement in metro Atlanta. Again, it ranks almost at the bottom for upward economic mobility among the nation's 50 largest metros and that should be unacceptable. Saying everyone doesn't want to be helped doesn't mean you don't do as much as possible to help the people who do want to be helped, and there are many of them. I'd say they constitute the majority as a matter of fact.

[TheTravelinMan]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

I do not have enough facepalms in the world for that ridiculous post.

Tell me, where did you get all this information? Where did you learn how poverty works and how to treat it? And what is up with the thinly-veiled racism, which any black person could see a mile away in your words?

This wasn't my post but I'll respond to this. Where did you get YOUR information about how these neighborhoods work? Have you spent any time in these 'hoods'? Have you gone into the schools over there and seen what really goes on? Or do you form your opinions about how things are while sitting in a coffee shop in Decatur?

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by TheTravelinMan

Have you gone into the schools over there and seen what really goes on? Or do you form your opinions about how things are while sitting in a coffee shop in Decatur?

I find this hilarious and so true. Those young white people who the most vigorous in pretending black crime is not an issue always seem to move to midtown, Virginia Highland, decatur, etc. Why is that? Perhaps because it's safe. And why exactly is it so safe? Why don't those same people move to the Southwest side instead since there is no black crime issue. It should be just as safe there then. Certainly you could get more bang for your buck!

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Forhall

I find this hilarious and so true. Those young white people who the most vigorous in pretending black crime is not an issue always seem to move to midtown, Virginia Highland, decatur, etc. Why is that? Perhaps because it's safe. And why exactly is it so safe? Why don't those same people move to the Southwest side instead since there is no black crime issue. It should be just as safe there then. Certainly you could get more bang for your buck!

You can't be serious. Young White people are often among the first gentrifiers in any city.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by TheTravelinMan

You don't need a lawn service company to pick up litter and wack some weeds.

This I have to agree with. I am technically elderly but I can still run a weed whacker and a mower.

For picking up trash and pine cones, I use one of these. They are only $2.99 and you can usually get them for 20% off, which brings them down to $2.39.

I bet if the government used its mass purchasing power they could get them even cheaper. Why not buy a zillion of them and pass them out to the citizens for free? You could have an immediate impact on the city for very little money.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by arjay57

This I have to agree with. I am technically elderly but I can still run a weed whacker and a mower.

For picking up trash and pine cones, I use one of these. They are only $2.99 and you can usually get them for 20% off, which brings them down to $2.39.

I bet if the government used its mass purchasing power they could get them even cheaper. Why not buy a zillion of them and pass them out to the citizens for free? You could have an immediate impact on the city for very little money.

You are also not lower/working class so therefore you can afford a better diet, healthcare, etc. It's not cheap to eat healthy and many old timers grew up eating unhealthy because it was the norm back then.