I'm all for gentrification. (Atlanta, LaGrange: school, university, gated)

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Yeah what Brock Turner and the affulenza teen did were horrible and they were left off easy because of their white privilege.

The system righted itself as far as the affluenza teen is concerned. He is now locked up and locked up for a long time. Would call that for what it is, the power of wealth more so than white privilege. I surely don't have the power or connections to get my kid out of such a predicament, my white skin ain't buying that kind of favor...

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Might have to check that out. Wish there was one done on a less partisan, demographic/statistical/historical point of view. The review and the subtitle and cover art have already pointed the finger and told me to be guilty.

Of course politics is involved, but would rather see a series of maps and let me draw my own conclusion to the overall "why" question. But thanks for the link and taking time to reply to my convoluted question....

I am disappointed that you are already pushing back on it. If you read the book, you will see that it is very non-partisan...which is one of the most amazing things about it.

It is a matter-of-fact, detailed analysis of the demographic shifts in the CoA and Metro Atlanta. With dozens of maps that are hard to find anywhere else.

History is to be learned and analyzed. It is not supposed to be presented so that the majority is "comfortable."


And what is this mess about feeling guilty? This is about learning, not feelings.

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

On the other hand, the crime in those neighborhoods just goes to other places.

This is why I have reservations about gentrification. It doesn't solve anything, it just moves it elsewhere. Yes yes, "higher property values!" but that doesn't increase education levels or income levels unless they're a landlord looking at increased rent. Some may indeed make a profit but: 1) if they don't have experience handling larger amounts of money (which many poor do not), they'll likely waste it or choose a lifestyle they can't afford and they'll be right back where they started. 2) For many people, it's not about the money. You lived in an area and were an active part of the community for decades when no one else would even think about visiting your area. 3 generations of family lived in the area and you were planning on raising the 4th there but now you can't afford it. And you can't fight it. You have no choice but to sell yourself out or have debt mount with the higher property taxes.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by aries4118

Yes, Brother Marks...

You will find exactly what you are looking for in this book:

Kruse, K.M.: White Flight: Atlanta and the Making of Modern Conservatism. (eBook and Paperback)

Get it and read it. You won't regret it.

Along the same lines, I would also highly recommend:

- Ronald Bayor's "Race and the shaping of twentieth Century Atlanta"

- Larry Keating's "Race, class and urban Expansion"

- Karen Ferguson's "Black Politics in new deal Atlanta"

- Clarence Stone's "Regime Politics: Governing Atlanta."

There are a number of other excellent books on how modern Atlanta came to be but those are some of my favorites.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

The system righted itself as far as the affluenza teen is concerned. He is now locked up and locked up for a long time. Would call that for what it is, the power of wealth more so than white privilege. I surely don't have the power or connections to get my kid out of such a predicament, my white skin ain't buying that kind of favor...

Wealth and white privilege are not mutually exclusive.

"Both-and, not either-or"

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Might have to check that out. Wish there was one done on a less partisan, demographic/statistical/historical point of view. The review and the subtitle and cover art have already pointed the finger and told me to be guilty.

Of course politics is involved, but would rather see a series of maps and let me draw my own conclusion to the overall "why" question. But thanks for the link and taking time to reply to my convoluted question....

Are you a Confederate-flag waving segregationist? That's the only way I can see you feeling "guilty" about the cover art and the review. Otherwise, the reasons behind White flight in the South in the 60's and 70's are very much well-documented and well-known. No need to be speculative there.

[tissle]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

The system righted itself as far as the affluenza teen is concerned. He is now locked up and locked up for a long time. Would call that for what it is, the power of wealth more so than white privilege. I surely don't have the power or connections to get my kid out of such a predicament, my white skin ain't buying that kind of favor...

He's locked for 2 years.
He killed 4 people and he will only be in jail for 2 years....

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Are you a Confederate-flag waving segregationist? That's the only way I can see you feeling "guilty" about the cover art and the review. Otherwise, the reasons behind White flight in the South in the 60's and 70's are very much well-documented and well-known. No need to be speculative there.

Exactly.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by aries4118

I am disappointed that you are already pushing back on it. If you read the book, you will see that it is very non-partisan...which is one of the most amazing things about it.

It is a matter-of-fact, detailed analysis of the demographic shifts in the CoA and Metro Atlanta. With dozens of maps that are hard to find anywhere else.

History is to be learned and analyzed. It is not supposed to be presented so that the majority is "comfortable."


And what is this mess about feeling guilty? This is about learning, not feelings.

I will read it on your recommendation, trust your judgment. The Amazon blurb left a not so pleasant taste on the tongue....

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Are you a Confederate-flag waving segregationist? That's the only way I can see you feeling "guilty" about the cover art and the review. Otherwise, the reasons behind White flight in the South in the 60's and 70's are very much well-documented and well-known. No need to be speculative there.

It mentions the rise of the conservative southerner and seems to equate that political viewpoint with the rebel flag waving racist on the cover.