GDOT proposing Atlanta rail? (Powder Springs: contractor, safety, suite)

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by MikeHonchoATL

How does that justify investing in rail? If anything, it is an argument against it.

The money invested in roads 60 years ago is irrelevant to a decision on investment today.

That post was obvious sarcasm. I think I should have made it more obvious.

[MikeHonchoATL]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

So you're going to hold fourthwarden to his set of assumptions while completely excusing yours.

Nice double standard you got going there.

She won't articulate any assumptions.

I'd be glad to have a dialogue on her assumptions, but when you start talking specifics, she goes mute.

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

^ Triggered!

^Clueless!

[MikeHonchoATL]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

Because they are not as insanely individualistic as white Americans are. They also believe, to varying extents, in supporting the common good.

What an ignorant, racist comment!

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by MikeHonchoATL

She won't articulate any assumptions.

I'd be glad to have a dialogue on her assumptions, but when you start talking specifics, she goes mute.

The proof of burden lies on you to show that the study is not accurate, given that the study is done in a professional capacity with years of time devoted to it, though many agencies across various states and across various departments within their states. The opportunity to find and fix any discrepancies or incorrect use of resources is much higher throughout the time of the study's inception than for your haphazardly slapped together math.

Therefore, as the one producing the non-peer-reviewed, non-professional, non-vetted math, its rather up to you to prove that your math is more accurate, and that the study is incorrect. The GDoT Atlanta to Charlotte High-Speed Rail Study carries much more perceived, and earned, accuracy, by the simple volume of work and time invested by professionals in the field. You have not. That's the proof of burden, and it lies on you.

If that's too much thought and work for you, then so be it, but I get the feeling you'll continue to shift blame rather than put in the effort to prove your own perceptions of the study.

I already listed a few of the assumptions used when making ridership estimates in the study, which I also commented on artificially lowering the ridership totals along the corridor, but you apparently ignored them and continue to claim that it is my responsibility to do your research into why the study might not be correct.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by MikeHonchoATL

How does that justify investing in rail? If anything, it is an argument against it.

The money invested in roads 60 years ago is irrelevant to a decision on investment today.

Because we can see exactly what the interstate system has done. Even though it's done a LOT of damage in our development and living patterns here in the U.S. , it has also facilitated a LOT of growth.

Same would apply to high speed rail, and any extension of regional and local transportation networks.

Originally Posted by MikeHonchoATL

If this would operate at such a huge surplus, why not just get private business to fund the entire thing?

The fact that private industry won't build it is the first clue that it won't be profitable.

Because the high initial cost, and right of way procurement act as barriers to entry.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by MikeHonchoATL

Cute. You are trying so hard.

An airport connects to ALL other airports. A fixed track rail line doesn't.

There are very few locations in the United States in which rail makes sense over air travel. Atlanta isn't close enough to another major metro area for it to make sense. Some of the geniuses on here have been whining for HSR to those giant centers of civilization like Columbus, Savannah and Chattanooga. Then the CD parrots all nod in agreement about how it works in Germany and Japan. Same thread, different day. Nothing gets built because there is not a logical economic case to justify it.

Originally Posted by MikeHonchoATL

Likewise, sport.

Originally Posted by MikeHonchoATL

Well if it were that simple, then we'd just blindly spend more money on infrastructure.

However, it isn't that simple. There are good projects that offer a very positive return, and there are projects that suck and don't offer a return. Not all are created equally. Spending billions of dollars on HSR that realistically doesn't have the ridership to support it is a bad investment. That money could be spent elsewhere more responsibly.

This is not a hard concept, son.

PS: Are you really defending the California HSR project?

Hmmm...

An unnecessarily combative and condescending attitude towards other posters; frequent uses of the terms "sport" and "son" as a way of attempting to belittle other posters during a discussion; an extreme ideological obsession with disproving the effectiveness of transit, particularly rail transit; diehard references to Georgia Tech while belittling and insulting a rival school on another thread (a University of Georgia thread)...

Nah, there's NO WAY that the banned poster gtcorndog (and GregsDaddy) could have possibly returned under a new screen name of "MikeHonchoATL".

An upstanding banned poster like gtcorndog would never attempt to return to City Data under a different name after being banned at least twice in the past for combative behavior

[alco89]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

Hmmm...

An unnecessarily combative and condescending attitude towards other posters; frequent uses of the terms "sport" and "son" as a way of attempting to belittle other posters during a discussion; an extreme ideological obsession with disproving the effectiveness of transit, particularly rail transit; diehard references to Georgia Tech while belittling and insulting a rival school on another thread (a University of Georgia thread)...

Nah, there's NO WAY that the banned poster gtcorndog (and GregsDaddy) could have possibly returned under a new screen name of "MikeHonchoATL".

An upstanding banned poster like gtcorndog would never attempt to return to City Data under a different name after being banned at least twice in the past for combative behavior

So I wasn't the only one thinking it.......

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by alco89

So I wasn't the only one thinking it.......

Nah, it's probably just a total and complete coincidence that MikeHonchoATL sounds almost exactly like the banned poster gtcorndog.

MikeHonchoATL is definitely not the banned poster gtcorndog aka GregsDaddy.

I'm absolutely certain that there is most definitely no connection whatsoever between the new poster MikeHonchoATL and the banned poster gtcorndog aka GregsDaddy.

There's absolutely nothing to see here, folks.

[MikeHonchoATL]

Huh?

Can't debate the facts so try to throw out some conspiracy theories. Moon landings staged too?

C'mon son.