Man killed outside 5 Points MARTA station (Atlanta: how much, safer, transit)

[Atlwarrior]

Originally Posted by Forhall

Disgusting. Can't even enjoy walking around on a nice day thanks to thugs with no concern for anyone but themselves. More gentrification please!

Right! Make America white again and let prejudices and law control others.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by Atlwarrior

Right! Make America white again and let prejudices and law control others.

No one said anything about white. Many races gentrify Atlanta, whites, Asians, and blacks as well. Gentrification means replacing thugs with educated, peaceful, better members of society that spend their days doing relatively benign things like ordering lattes and going to hot yoga rather than flashing gang signs and shooting up rivals.

[N830MH]

Originally Posted by ATLTJL

If only walking around MARTA stations was as safe as actually riding it.

Do not go near MARTA. It's very extremely dangerous. Too many people who rode on MARTA. Just stay away from there.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by Forhall

No one said anything about white. Many races gentrify Atlanta, whites, Asians, and blacks as well. Gentrification means replacing thugs with educated, peaceful, better members of society that spend their days doing relatively benign things like ordering lattes and going to hot yoga rather than flashing gang signs and shooting up rivals.

FFS.

Your generalization of poor people is quite broad, quite sweeping, and even more so, ignorant.

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

FFS.

Your generalization of poor people is quite broad, quite sweeping, and even more so, ignorant.

I'm not interested in going back and forth on this. Gentrification lowers crime. There's nothing to argue. I think every resident of this city is sick of the triple digit homicides annually and we all more than welcome the development that has turned blight into success and helped make many areas of Atlanta much safer. Every coffee shop, tapas bar, and bakery is doing more for this city than even the police have managed over the past few decades.

[ATLTJL]

the problem is people don't pay attention they assume everyday is a regular day. Accidents happen "stay alert,stay alive".

So just out of curiosity, what about the day this guy got shot made it different from a regular day?

How do you suppose staying alert would have helped him?

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by Forhall

I'm not interested in going back and forth on this. Gentrification lowers crime. There's nothing to argue. I think every resident of this city is sick of the triple digit homicides annually and we all more than welcome the development that has turned blight into success and helped make many areas of Atlanta much safer. Every coffee shop, tapas bar, and bakery is doing more for this city than even the police have managed over the past few decades.

There is plenty to argue, since you apply gentrification as the solution, when, in fact, it is doing nothing more than shifting the problem. The poor people aren't getting rich. They aren't being educated. They aren't breaking the cycle of generational poverty and ignorance that crime festers in. They're simply being pushed away elsewhere.

You're not fixing anything, you're just punishing those who've done nothing wrong but happen to share the same income bracket as those who perpetrated crime. You believe it is justified to punish the innocent as long as the few criminals, who live amungst them, leave as well.

That isn't progress, it's just sweeping the problem elsewhere.


We should be focusing on bringing people out of generational poverty, so that they can enjoy the fruits of their community just as much as the next person, instead of watching what work they have put in get packaged and sold, and then be told to move. We should be educating them, helping them start the next small businesses, helping them employ people, helping them get out of debt, and helping them stay in the neighborhoods they've already put time, sweat, and blood into.

Of course, that requires actual effort, and time scales that don't bring immediate results, rather than just telling them to get out now that their property taxes and rents are too high.

God forbid we try to do something other than the easy route.

[oldschoolChevy]

Originally Posted by ATLTJL

I guess he missed the memo that if he walks with a purpose and doesn't make eye contact, everything will be fine.

Some people just don't understand how to live in urban areas.

Bystander killed in crossfire near Five Points MARTA station

I disagree actually. You should make eye contact with people on the street. Don't stare or mug but don't purposely look away either. Gotta let them know you're not scared. Clearly your comment was made in jest as this poor soul was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and caught a stray meant for someone else. But on a streets smarts level averting people's eyes and looking away is an easy way to look scared and by extension look like food to someone who is out looking for an easy lick

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by ATLTJL

If only walking around MARTA stations was as safe as actually riding it.

That's a joke, but this isn't: How can a venue like the Masquerade possibly be expected to be successful at Underground with this kind of stuff happening? I bet it lasts 6 months or less there.

And yet it lasted years even decades when North Ave and Ponce was sketchy as hell. I saw no wild accusations like this during the last murder at Murder Kroger.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by ATLTJL

That's a joke, but this isn't: How can a venue like the Masquerade possibly be expected to be successful at Underground with this kind of stuff happening? I bet it lasts 6 months or less there.

Many people that go to the Masquerade park at Murder Kroger, and always have. Why have you never raised a similar question about Masquerade's ability to stay open at their current location? I think we can all make an educated guess about that.

Also, when you say "with this kind of stuff happening" you're implying that this happens regularly. It doesn't. You're lying.