More Highway Widening (Atlanta, Suwanee, Ideal: vs., safety, plumbing)

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by DJDeadParrot

Oh, this I gotta hear/read...

Read the paper (or about any other one on the subject) then: http://www.vtpi.org/gentraf.pdf

Many of the examples are suburban highways.

Honestly, induced demand is much clearer on suburban highways than the city center. People already lived in the city center before highways so you would not see an urban highway causing people to move there to use it, actually the opposite. So I'd even say Induced Demand is primary a suburban phenomenon.

[sedimenjerry]

It's already been explained over and over again that this is part of widening all of RURAL I 85 up to SC. Not a single person is going to move to Commerce because they widened I 85. And there are already no alternative routes for I 85 so people aren't going to reroute to 85 just because of this.

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Read the paper (or about any other one on the subject) then: http://www.vtpi.org/gentraf.pdf

Many of the examples are suburban highways.

Honestly, induced demand is much clearer on suburban highways than the city center. People already lived in the city center before highways so you would not see an urban highway causing people to move there to use it, actually the opposite. So I'd even say Induced Demand is primary a suburban phenomenon.

And none of the area of concern is suburban. Past Hamilton Mill it's solidly exurban to rural.

[primaltech]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Read the paper (or about any other one on the subject) then: http://www.vtpi.org/gentraf.pdf

Many of the examples are suburban highways.

Honestly, induced demand is much clearer on suburban highways than the city center. People already lived in the city center before highways so you would not see an urban highway causing people to move there to use it, actually the opposite. So I'd even say Induced Demand is primary a suburban phenomenon.

Even if that were true, what does that have anything to do with a rural GDOT interstate project, which is what this thread is about? Rural is not suburban.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by primaltech

Even if that were true, what does that have anything to do with a rural GDOT interstate project, which is what this thread is about? Rural is not suburban.

I think about anyone out there would consider Barrow and Gwinnett suburban counties. What makes you think they are "rural"? I mean maybe 50 years ago when I-85 was first being built, but then you know, that whole induced-demand thing happened and now oh, look now we "need" another lane to handle all this "rural" traffic.

[primaltech]

Quit being dishonest, jsvh. Makes you look pathetic.

This project begins at the northern fringe of Gwinnett, which you could maybe call the outer edge of exurban, and it ends at the SC border. This I-85 project has nothing to do with Atlanta or its suburbs. It's primarily about interstate traffic. As in, commerce and travel between states.

[DJDeadParrot]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Read the paper (or about any other one on the subject) then: http://www.vtpi.org/gentraf.pdf

Many of the examples are suburban highways.

...So I'd even say Induced Demand is primary a suburban phenomenon.

I will point out, again, that this widening project is out *beyond* the suburbs.

Also, you really need to read the PDF link for yourself. It actually does say that roadway expansion in rural areas doesn't generate [latent] demand at the rate that it does in urban areas.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by primaltech

Quit being dishonest, jsvh. Makes you look pathetic.

This project begins at the northern fringe of Gwinnett, which you could maybe call the outer edge of exurban, and it ends at the SC border. This I-85 project has nothing to do with Atlanta or its suburbs. It's primarily about interstate traffic. As in, commerce and travel between states.

The insults do not help your case primaltech.

Considering this all takes place inside the metro Atlanta area and even the northern boundary of this widening is just as close to Atlanta city limits as SC state line, it seems like a very weak claim. If this is to serve traffic going out of state, wouldn't we need to widen it all the way through South Carolina?

[primaltech]

Seriously, if this area:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.3296.../data=!3m1!1e3

...was going to transform into Atlanta suburbia, why would it going from 4 to 6 lanes make it suddenly do that?

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by primaltech

Seriously, if this area:

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.3296.../data=!3m1!1e3

...was going to transform into Atlanta suburbia, why would it going from 4 to 6 lanes make it suddenly do that?

Do you think as many people would be living in north Gwinnett if 85 was still 4 lanes the whole length?