03-04-2008, 01:43 PM
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These superimpositions are interesting to me. I've not been to Atlanta yet so I have no comparison to go off of. It looks to me that DFW is set up in more of a grid system where the Atlanta metro looks a lil more random in the placing of the roads and highways. It seems to me that this coupled with a rapidly growing metro can cause some traffic. Any insight from natives?
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Houstons' map really points out to me just how much traffic could be relieved in Atlanta by an outer loop. If Atlanta had an outer loop like Houston's, South bound thru traffic (especially truck traffic) on I-75 could jump off at Acworth and rejoin I-75 off the beltway at Mc Donough. Think how much that could reduce southbound rush hour traffic through Cobb county (and I-285 traffic) for instance.
I do not believe an outerloop will work. 285 was designed to be an outerloop until suburnanites decided to build subdivisions off of the exits.(sorryfor the vent, back to objectivity)
The problem with 285 traffic is where they connect with 75/85 and I-20 and those are commuters who are enter/leaving the city. Also, there is a money issue, who's going to pay for another interstate? The federal gov't will not issue Atlanta anymore money to build roads and it's cheaper to build rails than highways, but it's a political issue and all political issues are due to people issues.
03-04-2008, 02:27 PM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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These superimpositions are interesting to me. I've not been to Atlanta yet so I have no comparison to go off of. It looks to me that DFW is set up in more of a grid system where the Atlanta metro looks a lil more random in the placing of the roads and highways.
The Atlanta road system seems to have grown organically.
I haven't taken the time to create a map of Atlanta versus the Twin Cities, but I'm sure that would also show a far more grid-like road network.
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It seems to me that this coupled with a rapidly growing metro can cause some traffic. Any insight from natives?
It causes some traffic. Yes.
03-04-2008, 07:12 PM
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Houstons' map really points out to me just how much traffic could be relieved in Atlanta by an outer loop. If Atlanta had an outer loop like Houston's, South bound thru traffic (especially truck traffic) on I-75 could jump off at Acworth and rejoin I-75 off the beltway at Mc Donough. Think how much that could reduce southbound rush hour traffic through Cobb county (and I-285 traffic) for instance.
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I do not believe an outerloop will work. 285 was designed to be an outerloop until suburnanites decided to build subdivisions off of the exits.(sorryfor the vent, back to objectivity)
The problem with 285 traffic is where they connect with 75/85 and I-20 and those are commuters who are enter/leaving the city. Also, there is a money issue, who's going to pay for another interstate? The federal gov't will not issue Atlanta anymore money to build roads and it's cheaper to build rails than highways, but it's a political issue and all political issues are due to people issues.
I would be in favor of an outer loop if it only had exits at the Interstates, I-75, I-85 and I-20. Build it with interchanges throughout and it would be just as congested as 285 in 5 to 10 years.
03-04-2008, 09:21 PM
Location: West Cobb County, GA (Atlanta metro)
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A present...
Houston's dual beltways makes metro Atlanta look pretty small (according to Wikipedia, metro Houston is 2,000 sq mi larger). Dallas's grid underlies the fact that Atlanta is in need of suburban rail with good transit parking.
Good maps - thanks.
03-04-2008, 10:05 PM
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These superimpositions are interesting to me. I've not been to Atlanta yet so I have no comparison to go off of. It looks to me that DFW is set up in more of a grid system where the Atlanta metro looks a lil more random in the placing of the roads and highways. It seems to me that this coupled with a rapidly growing metro can cause some traffic. Any insight from natives?
Yes, that is true -- though there is a little method to the apparent madness and these are still high volume roads. Additionally, the bends in the road and avenues mask industrial areas in the distance and make stretches of the roads seem more scenic and private because you can't see the factory 2 miles down the road.
A lot of these roads are large arteries that circles around city centers, like mini beltways of 2-3 lane avenues. The other avenues connect city and village centers. The seeming mish-mash of roads are high-volume, but unlike a grid system is that commuters may be unwilling to get off a main avenue to try their luck on roads they are less familiar with. It almost creates a comic situation of main thoroughfares being backed up which other through streets running parallel are smooth sailing.
For roads with smooth turns, it may seem you are travelling one direction when you have almost completely turned around so it pays to have a compass if you're new here. Examples are E-W connector in Cobb County, Camp Creek Parkway, Cumberland Blvd in Cobb County, Lenox Rd in Buckhead.
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Houstons' map really points out to me just how much traffic could be relieved in Atlanta by an outer loop. If Atlanta had an outer loop like Houston's, South bound thru traffic (especially truck traffic) on I-75 could jump off at Acworth and rejoin I-75 off the beltway at Mc Donough. Think how much that could reduce southbound rush hour traffic through Cobb county (and I-285 traffic) for instance.
There's 2 downsides to building the Northern Arc (1) It will take money from the coffers that could go towards rail (2) If not done right with expensive state land purchases near exits to prevent development, it can cause sprawl once again. I think infrastructure work should be done mainly on the inner metro. Right now, we need to improve the Northern section of 285 with a pair of truck/toll lanes, and raised BRT or LRT lines along with extending some of the MARTA passenger rail spurs to connect to future Cobb, and Gwinnett county transit lines. Not extending MARTA into these counties, but instead connecting them to rail the counties will build, with a fare-sharing program set up.
Now, if the Northern Arc were made a toll road and trucks were blocked from 285, we may be able to afford it much sooner. However, unless it's done by a private entity, it'll still take money away from rail in the short term.
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I would be in favor of an outer loop if it only had exits at the Interstates, I-75, I-85 and I-20. Build it with interchanges throughout and it would be just as congested as 285 in 5 to 10 years.
I tend to think they'll need I-585, 400, and I-985 as well to be able to argue against any other interchanges. If any other industrial towns or towns wishing for industry request interchanges, then the state should probably build interchanges where no roads exist outside of those towns, and ONLY connect to a designated industrial park, to prevent those interchanges to be abused by developers. I disagree with going all the way to I-20 in the first iteration. Going all the way to I-20 on each end would have to make it twice as long (or more) and would have to extend almost all the way to the Alabama border on the Western side and would have to be even longer on the Eastern side. I'll have to look at freight traffic for I-20 at some point to see if there's really a case for a Northern arc all the way to I-20. In the meantime, it may make sense to improve 411 from near Cartersville to Rome and 27 all the way down to almost I-85 on the South side, then 16 across from 85 to 75 on the South side.
It also begs to question whether a beltway made of rail can't be built and have them relay their freight through the rail line and have someone pick up on the other end.
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03-04-2008, 10:47 PM
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It looks to me that DFW is set up in more of a grid system where the Atlanta metro looks a lil more random in the placing of the roads and highways.
It's this lack of a grid system I think causes a lot of delays... partially from suburban development patterns, but don't discount the terrain. It's more difficult to create a grid in many areas around here than it is somewhere completely flat. There's a lot to be said for a grid in terms of timing traffic lights, etc. I can catch almost every single light on the major arterials in my area because nothing is straight.
But also we have very, very poor arterials compared to other areas I've lived. For example, look at all the folks who live in Acworth & Woodstock and those areas and work along the 400 corridor... they pretty much have 92 and that's it. Everything else is two-lane. Plenty more examples like that.
03-04-2008, 11:41 PM
Location: West Cobb (formerly Vinings)
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Compared to CT, the road system is very good in metro Atlanta. However, CT also has urban grids in the larger towns. In smaller towns, it not only has the arterial system like Atlanta but generally the roads aren't built for the same type of volume. Almost everyone uses the highways in CT as their primary mode of travel. There's some parts of the rural CT you can't travel unless you get on a highway unless you drive 2 towns out of the way. :-)
However, CT concentrates density in small areas and the rest is suburban or rural (rural in the sense of being like Dallas or Powder Springs). With the way metro Atlanta is growing throughout, the road system just isn't going to suffice. Additionally, it appears it's a cat and mouse between road improvements attracting more developers. I think rail is win-win because it still attracts developers, but they are developments designed around rail.
03-05-2008, 10:57 AM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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For roads with smooth turns, it may seem you are travelling one direction when you have almost completely turned around so it pays to have a compass if you're new here. Examples are E-W connector in Cobb County, Camp Creek Parkway, Cumberland Blvd in Cobb County, Lenox Rd in Buckhead.
Hehehehe. Yeah, ya gotta be careful. When my wife and I first moved down here we drove due west on the E/W Connector one evening after dark to see where it would take us, but we didn't really pay attention to the road name changes, and we finally figured something was up when we ended up crossing I-75 way north of Marietta. At that point we were almost going east!
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Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)