Georgia House OKs ban on state funds to 'sanctuary' campuses (safe, residency)

[flamadiddle]

Originally Posted by MikeHonchoATL

Good. It is about time.

Agree.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Please tell me why anyone would want to create a sanctuary campus? Isn't this as the same as cities that are trying to harbor law breaking people that came into the Nation illegaly? Why would anyone want to support a school that is encouraging breaking the law?

[Aery11]

Originally Posted by CCATL

Somebody in a position of power just referred to a good number of his constituents as "snowflakes". Beyond being immature and resorting to the new norm of name-calling when people disagree with your politics, he is supposed to represent and respect all of his constituents, not just those he personally agrees with. Calling them names is him clearly saying he doesn't respect his position, or those that he was elected to serve. It's truly disgusting.

While I agree that the term is not PC, it seems that the real criticism is that someone was again speaking in the vernacular and directly expressing their thoughts on the subject at hand. Apparently he got the message through to everyone with his choice of words. And sadly, what he said wasn't a lie either. Beating around the bush would have helped no one. And it is hard to be 'inclusive' when so many are deliberately and obstinately choosing to be divisive - so .. he called it like it is and coddled no one. The only way to expose things often is to just be blunt. What is the problem with that?


That is what Trump does too and so many despise him for it, I know but it works. It is both effective and efficient (not to mention that many on the other side use this technique and get no flack at all for it), and even the dumbest can understand what he is saying (well, except the media - they seem to not have much vocabulary or scruples at all any more). People get the message. Trump told us all a year ago at least that he was not into being PC and many people were thrilled to finally hear that sort of thing from someone who had potential to be elected. You were warned. I am glad to see others begin to take up that cause too.


The people who use PC language to describe everything change the rules every day. They dish it out but want to crucify anyone who won't speak that same language back to them. Being PC is a game that only the people who started the game and control the rules can win. Those who are into 'being PC' do not address real issues. The only thing they have going for them is made up language that fluctuates on a daily basis according to who they want to hurt. Time for that garbage to stop.

[flamadiddle]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Please tell me why anyone would want to create a sanctuary campus? Isn't this as the same as cities that are trying to harbor law breaking people that came into the Nation illegaly? Why would anyone want to support a school that is encouraging breaking the law?

It's mind boggling, but it's the Liberal mentality. They're more into warm and fuzzy feelings vs. logic. They believe only certain laws should be followed, the ones they agree with, all others are to be ignored.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Please tell me why anyone would want to create a sanctuary campus? Isn't this as the same as cities that are trying to harbor law breaking people that came into the Nation illegaly? Why would anyone want to support a school that is encouraging breaking the law?

Because they believe that people who reside here, work here, and pay taxes here should have a chance at a quality education here, regardless of a somewhat arbitrary designation as to their residency status.

By all technical accounts, some have broken the law, if they have entered illegally (improper entry is a crime). A large portion of illegal immigrants, 33%-50%, actually did not break the law by coming here and overstaying their visa (a civil matter, not a criminal one), and so aren't actually criminals.

Even so, have they actually done anything morally wrong?

A vast majority of illegal immigrants are not violent, nor are they criminals beyond coming here in the first place. They are simply looking for a better life. They take bad jobs for bad pay. They pay purchasing taxes. They pay rent (which pays property taxes). They buy things and help drive the economy like any other resident. In many cases, they pay income taxes that they can't receive refunds for and into social security that they can't pull from. In fact, nearly 66% of unauthorized immigrants have lived in the U.S. for at least a decade, which is twice the period of time required by the state department for a person to become a naturalized citizen.


So what do we have? We have a pile of people who sought the American dream, who have lived here longer than the state department requires to be naturalized, who buy American things, who pay American taxes, who might not even be criminals in the first place, and yet who have fewer opportunities to actually make the dream a reality because they're somehow not American enough to be considered citizens.


Is it so insane to think that people would want to offer them, and their children, an opportunity for education? Is it so insane to think that they may be grateful for that, and then turn and use that education to make America better in the long run?

[Mattie]

Originally Posted by fourthwarden

Because they believe that people who reside here, work here, and pay taxes here should have a chance at a quality education here, regardless of a somewhat arbitrary designation as to their residency status.

By all technical accounts, some have broken the law, if they have entered illegally (improper entry is a crime). A large portion of illegal immigrants, 33%-50%, actually did not break the law by coming here and overstaying their visa (a civil matter, not a criminal one), and so aren't actually criminals.

Even so, have they actually done anything morally wrong?

A vast majority of illegal immigrants are not violent, nor are they criminals beyond coming here in the first place. They are simply looking for a better life. They take bad jobs for bad pay. They pay purchasing taxes. They pay rent (which pays property taxes). They buy things and help drive the economy like any other resident. In many cases, they pay income taxes that they can't receive refunds for and into social security that they can't pull from. In fact, nearly 66% of unauthorized immigrants have lived in the U.S. for at least a decade, which is twice the period of time required by the state department for a person to become a naturalized citizen.


So what do we have? We have a pile of people who sought the American dream, who have lived here longer than the state department requires to be naturalized, who buy American things, who pay American taxes, who might not even be criminals in the first place, and yet who have fewer opportunities to actually make the dream a reality because they're somehow not American enough to be considered citizens.


Is it so insane to think that people would want to offer them, and their children, an opportunity for education? Is it so insane to think that they may be grateful for that, and then turn and use that education to make America better in the long run?

There you go, making sense!*

Immigration is not a state issue. It is not a campus issue. For better or (as the current case is)worse, it is a federal issue. States and campuses should not be expected to stretch tax dollars, or tuition dollars to enforce federal laws.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by bhammaster

Conservatives are some a**holes. What adult makes comments like that about a situation like this?

I've watched several friends devolve into that over the past four months. One in particular went from professing his love for Jesus Christ the Savior of Something and having a Facebook filled with family and his obsession with Star Wars; to posting video after video, picture after picture, and article after article of crying liberals with his statements of joy over their pain on November 9. And since then, pretty much all he posts is pro-Trump screeds.

I really start to wonder if these people were like this all along and just hid it, or if something snapped.

[ATLTJL]

If you were smart enough get into Emory and smart enough to stay there, you ought to automatically be given a green card regardless. I don't think anybody should be against the immigrants that are that educated no matter their stance on the others!

[Forhall]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

I've watched several friends devolve into that over the past four months. One in particular went from professing his love for Jesus Christ the Savior of Something and having a Facebook filled with family and his obsession with Star Wars; to posting video after video, picture after picture, and article after article of crying liberals with his statements of joy over their pain on November 9. And since then, pretty much all he posts is pro-Trump screeds.

I really start to wonder if these people were like this all along and just hid it, or if something snapped.

To these people, it's a sport team. All they care about is their side winning. They don't even realize when they f*ck themselves over, like all the geniuses who voted Trump but didn't understand their Medicaid expansion was part of Obamacare. I don't know whether to laugh at them or cry for them.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Aery11

While I agree that the term is not PC, it seems that the real criticism is that someone was again speaking in the vernacular and directly expressing their thoughts on the subject at hand. Apparently he got the message through to everyone with his choice of words. And sadly, what he said wasn't a lie either. Beating around the bush would have helped no one. And it is hard to be 'inclusive' when so many are deliberately and obstinately choosing to be divisive - so .. he called it like it is and coddled no one. The only way to expose things often is to just be blunt. What is the problem with that?


That is what Trump does too and so many despise him for it, I know but it works. It is both effective and efficient (not to mention that many on the other side use this technique and get no flack at all for it), and even the dumbest can understand what he is saying (well, except the media - they seem to not have much vocabulary or scruples at all any more). People get the message. Trump told us all a year ago at least that he was not into being PC and many people were thrilled to finally hear that sort of thing from someone who had potential to be elected. You were warned. I am glad to see others begin to take up that cause too.


The people who use PC language to describe everything change the rules every day. They dish it out but want to crucify anyone who won't speak that same language back to them. Being PC is a game that only the people who started the game and control the rules can win. Those who are into 'being PC' do not address real issues. The only thing they have going for them is made up language that fluctuates on a daily basis according to who they want to hurt. Time for that garbage to stop.

Umm no


The problem with this whether something is PC or not has literally nothing to do with it being right or wrong, or facts.

People issue with Trump is not that he being bold and offending people. It's the fact he's a habitual liar and half the country see him as con artist. And though that he happening to also saying offensive things.

basically Trump is giving the right wing a pass to say incorrect stuff... it's not wrong because it's "politically incorrect" it's wrong because it's incorrect.


So I ask you what are the "real issue"...... So on the contrary the right wing is now blaming "PC" when the want make up alternative facts.


For example illegal immigrates estimated at 3.5% of the country and since 2009 the US has a net zero immigration from Mexico. So if you think these bills and Trump are accomplishing something here.... he just gave you a false sense of security to a issue he fear monger, exaggerate. And it will the US gov billions of spending. And but ok what ever float your boat.