I-85 bridge near Piedmont Rd Collapses. (Atlanta: neighborhoods, transport, backyards)

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by walker1962

My sympathies to all in greater Atlanta but especially in Gwinnett and DeKalb counties. I lived there over five years in the 1990s and visited several times since then, most recently 14 months ago. What is shameful is the lack of mobility expansion since the 1990s. No northern bypass to take interstate travelers away from 285. No MARTA rail expansion since 2000 and that was but a few stations up GA 400. Limited public transportation in Cobb County. Where is all the GDOT transportation money going!? SMH

Those are some excellent points about the lack of expansion in mobility since the 1990's.

Though in all fairness, Georgia state government did try doggedly hard to push through the construction of an Outer Perimeter and then tried to push through the construction of a Northern Arc bypass after being forced to back off by the voters.

The problem was that the Outer Perimeter and Northern Arc bypass proposals proved to be wildly unpopular with the Georgia voting public (particularly in metro Atlanta and North Georgia)....And Georgia state government was forced to abandon the Outer Perimeter/Northern Arc bypass proposals by said angry metro Atlanta/North Georgia voting public.

But for the record, Georgia state government did indeed try and push through the construction of an Outer Perimeter and Northern Arc bypasses but were prevented from doing so by an angry metro Atlanta/North Georgia voting public who rejected the proposals by voting out the government officials who pushed them forward.

Over the first 15 years of the new Millennium, GDOT had been suffering from increasingly acute funding shortages aggravated by diminishing state and federal motor fuel tax returns compounded by the severe economic downturn of the late-2000's and early 2010's. Road funding has ticked up slightly since the Georgia state legislature increased the motor fuel tax in 2015, but transportation funding continues to be a challenge because of limited funding.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by atltechdude

You are wrong plain and simple. Lighting strikes the ground hundreds of times a day all over. It does NOT start huge fires anywhere except mainly wooded areas with a lot of dry brush.

Yes...this totally sounds like an educated fact proven response "you are wrong plain and simple"...I'm wrong because of? any fact or evidence ? Do you even know how lightning works, what it is, what conducts it and why it happens? I will be quite quite quite surprised at this point if you can so much as summarize it.
Sorry but your words are falling on deaf ears, you have no evidence.. I have plenty of it... and dude...please listen to your own logic... If a campfire can ignite PVC...what on gods earth makes you think lightning can't do the same 10 times over..just using common sense here...




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIv2h9w_Vm8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OuEXSi-8Ig

Should I bother to continue? Until you learn physics, don't bother to attempt to tell me what I do and don't know.

The ground lightning strikes would need to reach a flamable point in order for it to catch (and retain) fire.. PVC has a relatively low flamability point in comparison to the temperature of lightning, the ground around it would not..thus no...lightning cannot engulf the planet is flames...but a small patch of PVC would be cake.

Hopefully by now either you would have caught on..or maybe a bolt of lightning will strike some sense into ya..either way.. no point in continuing this..I'm done.

[Carolina Knight]

As Interstate 85 will be closed for awhile for repairs and Interstate 285 will be a bottleneck for awhile, will Georgians with intelligent life initiate another movement for the necessity of a fully controlled highway from Interstate 75 to Interstate 85 north of Atlanta?

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by Carolina Knight

As Interstate 85 will be closed for awhile for repairs and Interstate 285 will be a bottleneck for awhile, will Georgians with intelligent life initiate another movement for the necessity of a fully controlled highway from Interstate 75 to Interstate 85 north of Atlanta?

Do you mean the Northern Arc? As much as I really want this - I dont think it would help much in this circumstance.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by Carolina Knight

As Interstate 85 will be closed for awhile for repairs and Interstate 285 will be a bottleneck for awhile, will Georgians with intelligent life initiate another movement for the necessity of a fully controlled highway from Interstate 75 to Interstate 85 north of Atlanta?

Probably not because no politicians seem to be willing to back the construction of such a road because of the extreme political liability of backing such a road construction proposal that appears to be so unpopular with the voting public.

(...See what happened to former Georgia governor Roy Barnes and the Democrats after backing the road in 2002 and see what happened to the T-SPLOST referendum in 2012 after rumors spread like wildfire that the effort was really just a secret way to fund the resurrection of the Outer Perimeter/Northern Arc proposal.)

[ATUMRE75]

3 in Custody After Fire Leads to Bridge Collapse in Atlanta | KTLA

[Carolina Knight]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

Do you mean the Northern Arc? As much as I really want this - I dont think it would help much in this circumstance.

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

Probably not because no politicians seem to be willing to back the construction of such a road because of the extreme political liability of backing such a road construction proposal that appears to be so unpopular with the voting public.

(...See what happened to former Georgia governor Roy Barnes and the Democrats after backing the road in 2002 and see what happened to the T-SPLOST referendum in 2012 after rumors spread like wildfire that the effort was really just a secret way to fund the resurrection of the Outer Perimeter/Northern Arc proposal.)

Until Georgians decide to become educated in transportation necessities, they get to enjoy traffic problems associated with the bridge collapse.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by Carolina Knight

Until Georgians decide to become educated in transportation necessities, they get to enjoy traffic problems associated with the bridge collapse.

So I'm guessing you want us to lobby the General Assembly/GDOT to build more freeways that will displace thousands of homes. Great idea.

[Carolina Knight]

No, Georgia needs to improve its transportation network now or watch it get worse later.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by Carolina Knight

No, Georgia needs to improve its transportation network now or watch it get worse later.

Uh, that's not what you said here:

Originally Posted by Carolina Knight

As Interstate 85 will be closed for awhile for repairs and Interstate 285 will be a bottleneck for awhile, will Georgians with intelligent life initiate another movement for the necessity of a fully controlled highway from Interstate 75 to Interstate 85 north of Atlanta?

Do you think this can be done without displacing a lot of people (which was one of the reasons why the Northern Arc was canned)?