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AND JUST FYI ... There are several major cities without ANY daily newspaper (Oakland, Tampa, Birmingham, Mobile) and only a handful that still have more than one (New York, Chicago, Washington, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Detroit, San Francisco).
The whole rest of this post (including the part I deleted for the sake of practicality in my reply) was great, but you're wrong about Tampa. The Tampa Bay Times (formerly St. Petersburg Times) is alive and well, and is easily the largest newspaper not only in Florida, but also in the entire Southeast, actually. (Yes, larger than the AJC, particularly since the Times bought the Tampa Tribune a year ago and shut them down, thereby converting most existing Trib subscribers to Times subscribers).
Then why don't try your hand at it since you're such a severe critic of such a successful guy?
I don't have to be employed in the field to be able to recognize good stuff. I can enjoy a good book without having to author several novels.
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And yet another piece of the puzzle falls into place. You don't like his politics, got it.
No wonder you're so bitter and miserable, I would be too if I had your mindset.
Why should I be? Trump trashed Hillary. I bet Luckovich had a cartoon ready in anticipation of a Hillary win which we probably will never see. For which I am glad.
Detroit is run as one paper but creating two separate outputs. They aren't as independent of each other as those in the other cities.
They maintain separate ownership and independent (competing) news operations, but share business, advertising, production and circulation departments. That was a common practice for many two-paper towns until recently.
I don't have to be employed in the field to be able to recognize good stuff. I can enjoy a good book without having to author several novels.
No, you're using your political views to discredit a respected professional, while simultaneously trashing the reputation of the freaking Pulitzer Prize. That's pretty damn pathetic, even for you.
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Why should I be? Trump trashed Hillary. I bet Luckovich had a cartoon ready in anticipation of a Hillary win which we probably will never see. For which I am glad.
He lost by over 3,000,000 votes. Trump colluding with Russia and the setup of the Electoral College trashed Hillary.
The inner circle will all be indicted by Christmas anyway.
Lol,a lot of wrong information coming from someone who should know better,just to try to prove me wrong.But I leave it up to the readers to research.
Btw just one of those..the Miami.."Mega" lol metro region has the same population of Atlanta metro region. So now what. And you do find those 3 papers throughout the tricounty area. I lived in Miami and know better pick another city,maybe u might win by my lack of knowledge elsewhere lol
With all due respect .... you clearly don't know jack about the newspaper industry or else you'd never have posted this question in the first place. And you'd certainly have more sense than to argue with somebody like me, who has a degree in this stuff and worked in the business for 25 years until all the jobs went away. Tens of thousands of print journalists have seen their careers evaporate over the past 15 years as advertising revenue and readership collapsed. Every major newspaper group in the country has gone bankrupt or teetered on the brink. Once giant and hugely profitable newspapers like the Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune LA Times and your beloved MIAMI HERALD are shells of their former selves and basically worthless.
So pardon me for being just a little bit annoyed at your suggestion that you somehow know more about all this than I do. I don't need to prove anything to you.
As for the South Florida newspaper market, don't know how long ago you lived there but THESE are the facts:
-- The Miami Herald (once the flagship HQ for Knight Ridder) was sold to McClatchey in 2006. It's landmark building on Biscayne Bay was sold in 2011 and demolished in 2014. The paper is now based in suburban Doral. It has a circulation of less than 200,000 on Sundays, mostly in Dade County though it's a available in Broward and Monroe.
-- The Sun-Sentinel, because of its location, is the only paper in the region that's still available in all three counties. Most of its 225,000 Sunday readers are in Broward, however, and it has dropped "South Florida" from its nameplate as coverage of news beyond its core audience has been cut back. It's owned by Tronc, formally the Tribune Co, which had $13 billion in debt when it filed for bankruptcy in 2008. It's now worth just pennies on the dollar.
-- The Palm Beach Post is owned by Atlanta-based Cox, which also owns the AJC and both WSB radio and TV. Editorial and business offices are on Dixie Highway in West Palm Beach, but like all Cox newspapers (including the AJC) pages are designed and copy edited in Dayton, Ohio. From there, they are digitally transmitted to the plant of the Sun-Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale, where the Post is printed and then trucked north every night for delivery (common throughout the industry now). The Post is still available in Palm Beach, Martin, St. Lucie, Okeechobee, Indian River, Hendry, and Glades counties despite plummeting circulation over the past 15 years. In 2000 it had 165,000 daily subscribers. Today it has fewer than 80,000.
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Smh Keep on! There's more MAJOR cities to add to that list on Atlanta's level and even smaller..Lol Cmon let's Go!
Btw do not compare tiny towns such as Birmingham and Mobile to Atlanta metro area!
See my comment above please and KNOCK YOURSELF OUT trying to "prove me wrong."
With all due respect .... you clearly don't know jack about the newspaper industry or else you'd never have posted this question in the first place. And you'd certainly have more sense than to argue with somebody like me, who has a degree in this stuff and worked in the business for 25 years until all the jobs went away. Tens of thousands of print journalists have seen their careers evaporate over the past 15 years as advertising revenue and readership collapsed. Every major newspaper group in the country has gone bankrupt or teetered on the brink. Once giant and hugely profitable newspapers like the Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune LA Times and your beloved MIAMI HERALD are shells of their former selves and basically worthless.
So pardon me for being just a little bit annoyed at your suggestion that you somehow know more about all this than I do. I don't need to prove anything to you.
As for the South Florida newspaper market, don't know how long ago you lived there but THESE are the facts:
-- The Miami Herald (once the flagship HQ for Knight Ridder) was sold to McClatchey in 2006. It's landmark building on Biscayne Bay was sold in 2011 and demolished in 2014. The paper is now based in suburban Doral. It has a circulation of less than 200,000 on Sundays, mostly in Dade County though it's a available in Broward and Monroe.
-- The Sun-Sentinel, because of its location, is the only paper in the region that's still available in all three counties. Most of its 225,000 Sunday readers are in Broward, however, and it has dropped "South Florida" from its nameplate as coverage of news beyond its core audience has been cut back. It's owned by Tronc, formally the Tribune Co, which had $13 billion in debt when it filed for bankruptcy in 2008. It's now worth just pennies on the dollar.
-- The Palm Beach Post is owned by Atlanta-based Cox, which also owns the AJC and both WSB radio and TV. Editorial and business offices are on Dixie Highway in West Palm Beach, but like all Cox newspapers (including the AJC) pages are designed and copy edited in Dayton, Ohio. From there, they are digitally transmitted to the plant of the Sun-Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale, where the Post is printed and then trucked north every night for delivery (common throughout the industry now). The Post is still available in Palm Beach, Martin, St. Lucie, Okeechobee, Indian River, Hendry, and Glades counties despite plummeting circulation over the past 15 years. In 2000 it had 165,000 daily subscribers. Today it has fewer than 80,000.
See my comment above please and KNOCK YOURSELF OUT trying to "prove me wrong."
Lol. I repeat it without any intention of correcting you. I might not know much but you are certainly wrong in a lot of things which make me question your long experience and knowledge. Degree? Facts are facts degree or not.
Don't turn this now into the amount of subscribers and every detail about the newspapers because that wasn't the point to begin with sir.
Palm Beach,Broward and Miami-Dade makes up the Miami metro area regardless if the topography is different to the ATL metro area. And population is almost equal in both. That makes 3 MAJOR newspapers in the South Florida region plus add the Spanish "El Nuevo Herald" which might be part of the Herald yet caters to Spanish speakers on a NATIONAL level.So that alone throws away your analogy. Thank you. Try again
With all due respect .... you clearly don't know jack about the newspaper industry or else you'd never have posted this question in the first place. And you'd certainly have more sense than to argue with somebody like me, who has a degree in this stuff and worked in the business for 25 years until all the jobs went away. Tens of thousands of print journalists have seen their careers evaporate over the past 15 years as advertising revenue and readership collapsed. Every major newspaper group in the country has gone bankrupt or teetered on the brink. Once giant and hugely profitable newspapers like the Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune LA Times and your beloved MIAMI HERALD are shells of their former selves and basically worthless.
So pardon me for being just a little bit annoyed at your suggestion that you somehow know more about all this than I do. I don't need to prove anything to you.
As for the South Florida newspaper market, don't know how long ago you lived there but THESE are the facts:
-- The Miami Herald (once the flagship HQ for Knight Ridder) was sold to McClatchey in 2006. It's landmark building on Biscayne Bay was sold in 2011 and demolished in 2014. The paper is now based in suburban Doral. It has a circulation of less than 200,000 on Sundays, mostly in Dade County though it's a available in Broward and Monroe.
-- The Sun-Sentinel, because of its location, is the only paper in the region that's still available in all three counties. Most of its 225,000 Sunday readers are in Broward, however, and it has dropped "South Florida" from its nameplate as coverage of news beyond its core audience has been cut back. It's owned by Tronc, formally the Tribune Co, which had $13 billion in debt when it filed for bankruptcy in 2008. It's now worth just pennies on the dollar.
-- The Palm Beach Post is owned by Atlanta-based Cox, which also owns the AJC and both WSB radio and TV. Editorial and business offices are on Dixie Highway in West Palm Beach, but like all Cox newspapers (including the AJC) pages are designed and copy edited in Dayton, Ohio. From there, they are digitally transmitted to the plant of the Sun-Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale, where the Post is printed and then trucked north every night for delivery (common throughout the industry now). The Post is still available in Palm Beach, Martin, St. Lucie, Okeechobee, Indian River, Hendry, and Glades counties despite plummeting circulation over the past 15 years. In 2000 it had 165,000 daily subscribers. Today it has fewer than 80,000.
See my comment above please and KNOCK YOURSELF OUT trying to "prove me wrong."
Is you "NewsBoy" who is trying to prove ME wrong with wrong information sir.What makes you think I don't know the situation of the industry for asking why Atlanta have only ONE major newspaper?
Why aren't you checking other cities beyond the "only ONES" you mentioned? You'll be proved wrong wouldn't you?
I never said I know more or know it all but do know enough OK. So keep trying me and I'll have no choice but to throw your knowledge to the garbage. Sorry you're not sorry. Respect is earned and you lost mines..OK!
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Lol. I repeat it without any intention of correcting you. I might not know much but you are certainly wrong in a lot of things which make me question your long experience and knowledge. Degree? Facts are facts degree or not.
Don't turn this now into the amount of subscribers and every detail about the newspapers because that wasn't the point to begin with sir.
Palm Beach,Broward and Miami-Dade makes up the Miami metro area regardless if the topography is different to the ATL metro area. And population is almost equal in both. That makes 3 MAJOR newspapers in the South Florida region plus add the Spanish "El Nuevo Herald" which might be part of the Herald yet caters to Spanish speakers on a NATIONAL level.So that alone throws away your analogy. Thank you. Try again
You have no idea how far out of your league you are here. Newsboy knows exactly what he's talking about.
South Florida is structured totally different than Atlanta. Miami, Ft. Lauderdale & West Palm Beach used to be separate markets that hardly had any overlap with each other. The remnants of this is the three papers, nothing more. West Palm is still a separate media market even now, with their own network TV stations.
South Florida has nothing over Atlanta when it comes to media. Period.
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