Jamestown CEO: Gentrification Not Bad Word (Atlanta, Sandy Springs: credit, landscaping, construction)

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by LTCM

If Cobb joing MARTA isn't a problem, I double dog dare you to go to an upper middle class Cobb neighborhood and tell them we should charge them a 1% sales tax so they can have the opportunity to have a MARTA bus stop on their cul-de-sac street.

See how ridiculous that sounds when we apply it to another controversial subject?

(For the record, I'm not commenting on MARTA as much as I am the craziness of chiatldal's comment.)

nope because it's a bad comparison

One is a phobia of diversity of people who travel on MARTA that makes no sense. It also makes no sense do to the fact a Bus system already come to there neighborhood Cobb Trasit system, so it would just be anxiety of a name change. A 1% sales tax is breaking nobody bank who's upperclass. So it goes back to the phobia of diversity.

And your comparing that to people who have a fear on being price out that does make sense. The People in Cobb are not in a threat to lose there home because of "MARTA" but the people in a lower class neighborhood are. The stakes and real world implication are day and night.

And meanwhile for the record people already do that in Cobb go to the communities and talk about transit. You don't have to double dog dare me because it already happens.

Now as I was saying trouble dog dare people go lower class neighborhoods and say gentrification is good.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by LTCM

If Cobb joing MARTA isn't a problem, I double dog dare you to go to an upper middle class Cobb neighborhood and tell them we should charge them a 1% sales tax so they can have the opportunity to have a MARTA bus stop on their cul-de-sac street.

See how ridiculous that sounds when we apply it to another controversial subject?

(For the record, I'm not commenting on MARTA as much as I am the craziness of chiatldal's comment.)

MARTA doesn't run busses on cul-de-sac streets.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Kofi82

The way the Jews are trying to run folks out there homes In Brooklyn is disgusting. Gentrification takes the souls of of neighborhoods. Neighborhoods that were once fun now are infiltrated with baby boomers. You can't live in the heart of the city and want piece and quiet. I just think about what it has done to West Village in NY. The heart of the gay community and all its history has been destroyed to put up luxury stores and fancy restaurants etc..

My post wasn't anything anti Semitic towards Jews, I was just pointing out a lack of diversity in the group, You can't go to south Dekalb and ask them what should we do with Buford Hwy. that sort of what just happen. There was an overt demographic detachment.

You can't go to one group of people and tell them what good for another. Go actually to the communities that would be affect by gentrification and tell them it's a good thing let see what happens. Their would be a huge back flash.

But as I said the article is misleading he was speaking more about making the community more income diverse which is a good thing. But the headline of the article is more about trying make word gentrification positive.

[cqholt]

For one thing, the authors write, “gentrification” is too abstract a term, and so more concrete language is needed for describing the many individual forces and factors that lead to problems like displacement, cultural disruption, price inflation, and over-policing.

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2017/...rifier/531324/

[bryantm3]

*he* doesn't think gentrification is a bad thing. but then again, this is the CEO of a company that just helped turned the old fourth ward into not just an almost all white neighborhood, but a high-income neighborhood of people who aren't even from atlanta. and then they have a few studios for $1100 a month— that's what they're calling the affordable rate. their talk of non-displacement and incorporating mixed income is just lip service, their actions speak otherwise... that it's their neighborhood now, and they are more reliable narrators on what's "good" and "bad" than the original residents are. it's just colonization, continued.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

*he* doesn't think gentrification is a bad thing. but then again, this is the CEO of a company that just helped turned the old fourth ward into not just an almost all white neighborhood, but a high-income neighborhood of people who aren't even from atlanta. and then they have a few studios for $1100 a month— that's what they're calling the affordable rate. their talk of non-displacement and incorporating mixed income is just lip service, their actions speak otherwise... that it's their neighborhood now, and they are more reliable narrators on what's "good" and "bad" than the original residents are. it's just colonization, continued.

Beats the ****hole that it was 15 years ago.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by Gulch

Beats the ****hole that it was 15 years ago.

The problem comes. When The people who lived in the neighborhood never get the "lower crime, nicer schools" because they was out price to the lower class suburbs.

People want their neighborhood to improve but it's self defeating if they are no longer there.

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

The problem comes. When The people who lived in the neighborhood never get the "lower crime, nicer schools" because they was out price to the lower class suburbs.

People want their neighborhood to improve but it's self defeating if they are no longer there.

Which is why the answer to the negative aspects of gentrification is not to try and keep development from happening, but rather to encourage enough growth to meet demands, provide a wide range of options, and to keep prices low enough to afford.


A lack of meeting demand is what drives up prices, not the addition of supply.


So, let's fix the problems with our zoning laws to allow the market to meet demand with supply, while also opening up the feasibility of a wide-range of housing types. Lower (certain) barriers, and watch as supply rises to meet demand at far more reasonable price points.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

*he* doesn't think gentrification is a bad thing. but then again, this is the CEO of a company that just helped turned the old fourth ward into not just an almost all white neighborhood, but a high-income neighborhood of people who aren't even from atlanta. and then they have a few studios for $1100 a month— that's what they're calling the affordable rate. their talk of non-displacement and incorporating mixed income is just lip service, their actions speak otherwise... that it's their neighborhood now, and they are more reliable narrators on what's "good" and "bad" than the original residents are. it's just colonization, continued.

All those multifamily complexes around H4WP should have been required, by zoning, to set aside % for workforce and affordable housing. Each complex set aside 15% it would make a difference together.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

*he* doesn't think gentrification is a bad thing. but then again, this is the CEO of a company that just helped turned the old fourth ward into not just an almost all white neighborhood, but a high-income neighborhood of people who aren't even from atlanta. and then they have a few studios for $1100 a month— that's what they're calling the affordable rate. their talk of non-displacement and incorporating mixed income is just lip service, their actions speak otherwise... that it's their neighborhood now, and they are more reliable narrators on what's "good" and "bad" than the original residents are. it's just colonization, continued.

A few things here:

Just about every Atlanta neighborhood is filled with people who are not from Atlanta. You rarely meet someone from Atlanta anymore. Also, the Old Fourth Ward is far from being all white. The 'original' residents of Old Fourth Ward were mostly White people so you seem a bit confused on your history.

The Old Fourth Ward was once a majority White working class neighborhood. Yes, there were African Americans but they were in the area bordered by Sweet Auburn and were far from being the majority. Sometime in the late 1960's to the early 1970's things began to change. I don't think there is anything wrong with White people moving back to a neighborhood that they used to inhabit.