Jamestown CEO: Gentrification Not Bad Word (Atlanta: moving, nicest, park)

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by ronricks

A few things here:

Just about every Atlanta neighborhood is filled with people who are not from Atlanta. You rarely meet someone from Atlanta anymore. Also, the Old Fourth Ward is far from being all white. The 'original' residents of Old Fourth Ward were mostly White people so you seem a bit confused on your history.

The Old Fourth Ward was once a majority White working class neighborhood. Yes, there were African Americans but they were in the area bordered by Sweet Auburn and were far from being the majority. Sometime in the late 1960's to the early 1970's things began to change. I don't think there is anything wrong with White people moving back to a neighborhood that they used to inhabit.

And that demographic change wasn't do to income and people being price out. The issue is not whites moving in, the issue is how the demographic change has come about.

Beside the fact that bryantm3 didn't mention race in his post more or less the race of of original' residents race his post was just income base. The red is not true, Old ward historically wasn't a white or black neighborhood it had significant of both. Atlanta use to go by a ward system of some of the areas in old fourth ward were black some white due to segregation. The neigborhood wasn't found at once, as the city grew and annex so did O4W. Most of the great Atlanta fire 1917 affected a lower class African American area, and Freedom Parkways has remove sections of the neighborhoods. Atlanta's Negro American League baseball team also played in O4W, The Atlanta Race Riot of 1906 was in the O4W, The history of the area is really complex.

Also there are a significant amount of people born or grew up in the city neighborhoods. but again your missing the point. the issue is how the demographic change has come about. not people moving in.

[hizzles87]

Originally Posted by glovenyc

I think gentrification is a double-edge sword, that comes with pros and cons.

What are the pros of gentrification?? When Alpharetta gets nice wide sidewalks, or a park in Roswell gets new landscaping and playground equipment, or a new mixed retail development is built in Sandy Springs, all of these things are improvements that the current residents welcome and appreciate because it makes neighborhoods more walkable, prettier, property values go up, etc. No one is disputing that these are nice things, but that is just investment, NOT gentrification.

Gentrification is when segments of people--largely poor people of color--are pushed out and replaced by a wealthier segment of people and this wealthier segment of people then get to enjoy all of the "benefits" of the kind of investment described above.

So if you are saying that the "pro" of gentrification is investment in neighborhoods, I would ask why such investment needs to be coupled with moving certain out?

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

And that demographic change wasn't do to income and people being price out. The issue is not whites moving in, the issue is how the demographic change has come about.

Beside the fact that bryantm3 didn't mention race in his post more or less the race of of original' residents race his post was just income base. The red is not true, Old ward historically wasn't a white or black neighborhood it had significant of both. Atlanta use to go by a ward system of some of the areas in old fourth ward were black some white due to segregation. The neigborhood wasn't found at once, as the city grew and annex so did O4W. Most of the great Atlanta fire 1917 affected a lower class African American area, and Freedom Parkways has remove sections of the neighborhoods. Atlanta's Negro American League baseball team also played in O4W, The Atlanta Race Riot of 1906 was in the O4W, The history of the area is really complex.

Also there are a significant amount of people born or grew up in the city neighborhoods. but again your missing the point. the issue is how the demographic change has come about. not people moving in.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about so many wrong things and fake news/false information in your post. He mentioned that the O4W is almost all white now which is a lie. And if you are talking about the Atlanta Black Crackers they didn't play in O4W they played at the Ponce De Leon ballpark just like the Atlanta Crackers did. When they didn't play there they played at Morehouse or Morris Brown. Neither of which are in O4W either. Literally your whole post is wrong. You are trying to rewrite history that didn't exist.

[chabang]

Originally Posted by ronricks

A few things here:

Also, the Old Fourth Ward is far from being all white.

Yeah, check a census. O4W is ~50% AA and 40% White. That's a long way from "almost all white".

[CA_Vol]

Originally Posted by cqholt

If we enact zoning laws that require every project set aside % of workforce and affordable housing, in exchange for higher density and/or lower parking minimums. We can ensure that new development will be equitable.

It's cool how you people just come up with "equitable" determinations on what to do with other people's money and property.

[J2rescue]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

*he* doesn't think gentrification is a bad thing. but then again, this is the CEO of a company that just helped turned the old fourth ward into not just an almost all white neighborhood, but a high-income neighborhood of people who aren't even from atlanta. and then they have a few studios for $1100 a month— that's what they're calling the affordable rate. their talk of non-displacement and incorporating mixed income is just lip service, their actions speak otherwise... that it's their neighborhood now, and they are more reliable narrators on what's "good" and "bad" than the original residents are. it's just colonization, continued.

I appreciate your concern for other perhaps less fortunate in our world which is something that far too many of us in this country lack. But you often exaggerate and misplace your anger which only discredits your argument.

Jamestown in fact DOES believe what they are saying as evidenced by the program that trained workers in that neighborhood during construction. (Developers for Ponce City Market launch program to train workers ) Yes they have actually done something real the impact the lives of people in the neighborhood for the better.

The answer isn't to NOT develop and grow but to have programs in place to allow people of all economic levels to enjoy the revitalized neighborhood. Otherwise its just a denser version of suburbia.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by chiatldal

And that demographic change wasn't do to income and people being price out. The issue is not whites moving in, the issue is how the demographic change has come about.

Beside the fact that bryantm3 didn't mention race in his post more or less the race of of original' residents race his post was just income base. The red is not true, Old ward historically wasn't a white or black neighborhood it had significant of both. Atlanta use to go by a ward system of some of the areas in old fourth ward were black some white due to segregation. The neigborhood wasn't found at once, as the city grew and annex so did O4W. Most of the great Atlanta fire 1917 affected a lower class African American area, and Freedom Parkways has remove sections of the neighborhoods. Atlanta's Negro American League baseball team also played in O4W, The Atlanta Race Riot of 1906 was in the O4W, The history of the area is really complex.

Also there are a significant amount of people born or grew up in the city neighborhoods. but again your missing the point. the issue is how the demographic change has come about. not people moving in.

Actually Atlanta Crackers played in Midtown, the dividing line is Ponce.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Actually Atlanta Crackers played in Midtown, the dividing line is Ponce.

Black crackers are a different team. But your miss the point though your actually right.

[Atlanta Scientist]

Originally Posted by CA_Vol

It's cool how you people just come up with "equitable" determinations on what to do with other people's money and property.

That is well within the rights of a city to make that determination.

[chiatldal]

Originally Posted by ronricks

You don't have a clue what you are talking about so many wrong things and fake news/false information in your post. He mentioned that the O4W is almost all white now which is a lie. And if you are talking about the Atlanta Black Crackers they didn't play in O4W they played at the Ponce De Leon ballpark just like the Atlanta Crackers did. When they didn't play there they played at Morehouse or Morris Brown. Neither of which are in O4W either. Literally your whole post is wrong. You are trying to rewrite history that didn't exist.

First off I'm not a news organization or even a blog so saying fake news is funny, it's like your reaching for words.

Second off Morris brown started off on boulevard in the O4W before moving west in the AUC which another thing I did mention all together. 3rd i know they play at pouce de Leon park you not informing on anything it right across the street.

Forth off I made several points in the post. In which you pretty much ignored like the Atlanta race riots, the Atlanta fire, The Atlanta ward system which one you think is a rewrite of history? Please let me know more about how you have no idea of what your talking about.

5th race let alone the word white wasn't mention it the quote you respond to from that poster. I mention race, not poster you respond to, so you came in the thread looking make a point responding to the wrong poster reading what you want to read. While being incorrect altogether.