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Old 04-25-2018, 07:43 AM
 
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A new poll in Mississippi shows the Democrat ahead by 5. In Mississippi!! And the Democratic senator won Alabama!

Why is it that Georgia is different? We are much more purple than either of those states. Why on Earth do we considering it a done deal here when Democrats are winning all over the deep South? The democrat is ahead in the TN senate race as well.

Could our eventual defeat be because we don't even try?
^^^^^This to the millionth power!!!

There is NO reason that Georgia can't be different. What we need is a bold candidate who is unafraid of the GOP aura of invincibility and who doesn't take the conventional wisdom as gospel. We need someone who is going to throw out the old rule book and create a new one. Once this happens, Democrats will control Georgia politics for generations to come.

One reason why I give a slight edge to Stacey Abrams is that she is an unconventional candidate and is taking an approach quite different from the failed political campaigns in the past. If Stacey Evans wins, I hope these two will band together.

Finally, I do not miss all of the so-called stronger candidates one bit. What kind of leader is going to just sit back and wait until conditions are "safe" before trying to usher in the change we sorely need?? Win or lose, I have enormous respect for both Stacies for even trying.

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I think there is a real change afoot. But I also wouldn't read too much into the Alabama senate election, that was a special case

With that said, try!
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My dog could’ve beaten Roy Moore in that Senate special election.
It was special, but still incredibly significant. Even with all of Roy Moore's baggage, I was still shocked...SHOCKED... that Doug Jones won. My dad lives in Alabama and to say that it is a deeply conservative state is the understatement of the year. Also, Doug Jones still had to put in considerable work turning out black voters in order to pull off a razor-thin victory. It was not a cake walk by any means.
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Old 04-25-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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Everyone's focusing on Moore, but again it's Alabama and two it's today's GOP, so he was definitely not easy to beat, and if this wasn't a democratic year Alabama would have elected a child molester senator.

40 state seats have flipped R to D. Last night a seat on NY held by Republicans for 40 years flipped democrat. In Arizona's 8th US house district, the Republican won by about 5 points in a district that Trump won by 20 and where Republicans have a 30 point registration advantage.

In TN, the Democrat is ahead in many polls for senate.
In AZ, polls show the Democratic senate candidate ahead.
In PA, Democrat Conor Lamb defeated the R in a Trump+20 district.
In Virginia, they were a coin toss from Democratic control of the state legislature in a state that previously had a republican supermajority.
Here in GA, the Republican supermajority was broken in December when a democrat replaced Hunter Hill.

Why do we give up on governor? There's no reason nutjob Cagle should just waltz in. In Mississippi, the likely R candidate losing in the latest poll is also the LT Governor. Cagle isn't special and isn't heir apparent. He's a nutjob psycho willing to hurt our current major employers (Delta) and ruin chances for future employers (Amazon) for the sake of being an uneducated bigot. We need to keep him out. We have more than enough of a chance.
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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Lol a Democrat is not winning in Mississippi. Doug Jones will likely be out of the senate in 2 years
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Old 04-25-2018, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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Lol a Democrat is not winning in Mississippi. Doug Jones will likely be out of the senate in 2 years
I imagine you are correct - Mr. Jones was elected not for his attractiveness as a candidate, but because of his opponent's warts.
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Old 04-25-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Lol a Democrat is not winning in Mississippi. Doug Jones will likely be out of the senate in 2 years
Don't be so sure. His approval so far is high enough to be reelected.

From April approval polling:

Democrat Doug Jones' approval rating is within 4 percentage points of Alabama's Senior Senator, Republican Richard Shelby, according to the*quarterly Morning Consult poll.

Shelby's approval rating is 51 percent with a disapproval rating of 30 percent and 20 percent who had no opinion. Forty-seven percent of those polled approved of the job Jones is doing, compared to 25 percent who disapproved and 28 who had no opinion.


Approval ratings for Alabama Senators Doug Jones, Richard Shelby | AL.com
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:22 AM
 
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Everyone's focusing on Moore, but again it's Alabama and two it's today's GOP, so he was definitely not easy to beat, and if this wasn't a democratic year Alabama would have elected a child molester senator.

40 state seats have flipped R to D. Last night a seat on NY held by Republicans for 40 years flipped democrat. In Arizona's 8th US house district, the Republican won by about 5 points in a district that Trump won by 20 and where Republicans have a 30 point registration advantage.

In TN, the Democrat is ahead in many polls for senate.
In AZ, polls show the Democratic senate candidate ahead.
In PA, Democrat Conor Lamb defeated the R in a Trump+20 district.
In Virginia, they were a coin toss from Democratic control of the state legislature in a state that previously had a republican supermajority.
Here in GA, the Republican supermajority was broken in December when a democrat replaced Hunter Hill.

Why do we give up on governor? There's no reason nutjob Cagle should just waltz in. In Mississippi, the likely R candidate losing in the latest poll is also the LT Governor. Cagle isn't special and isn't heir apparent. He's a nutjob psycho willing to hurt our current major employers (Delta) and ruin chances for future employers (Amazon) for the sake of being an uneducated bigot. We need to keep him out. We have more than enough of a chance.
Those are really good points that 2018 is looking like it could be a good year for Democrats, even in some of the generally deep red areas that you cite above.

For the record, Georgia Democrats have not given up on the Georgia Governor's race. Even though many observers may not necessarily consider them to be the best possible general election candidates, Democratic gubernatorial candidates Stacey Abrams and Stacey Evans are solid candidates who (while holding some apparent liabilities that can and will be exploited by the GOP during the general election) will do all that they can during the 2018 election cycle to help the Democratic coalition take the next step forward towards eventual parity and possible future competitiveness.

Cagle's attacks against Delta Airlines (Georgia's largest private employer) obviously and understandably may not have gone over very well in many circles, including amongst progressives, moderates and much of the corporate community.

But even given how extremely undesirable it is for a very high-ranking state politician like Lt. Governor Casey Cagle to attack the largest and most important private employer of a state like Delta Airlines, a politician like Cagle does not really have a history of being a far-right wing ideologue.

Cagle's attacks on Delta Airlines (which were motivated when he could not get the near-supermajority Republican Senate caucus to support the airline fuel tax break at the behest of Delta after Delta dropped its relationship with the NRA) were pretty much a one-off type of event from a politician that has generally been a very business-minded moderate who has had an exceptionally close relationship with the state's domineering corporate community.

Participating in a Republican gubernatorial primary where voters are overwhelmingly pro-gun/pro-Second Amendment and anti-corporate may have motivated Cagle to level an attack against the state's largest private employer to the dismay of progressives, many moderates and the corporate community.

But even with that, Cagle is not considered to be a wingnut. The guy attracted more votes than any other candidate running for office in Georgia during the 2014 gubernatorial and U.S. Senatorial election cycle, including Governor Nathan Deal and U.S. Senator David Perdue.

...And those who understandably may be unhappy with Cagle after the moves he made against Delta Airlines (while Amazon was watching closely) should be very careful not to underestimate him should he become the Republican gubernatorial nominee as is currently expected.
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Old 04-26-2018, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte, and Raleigh
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I've said time and time again, until the Democratic Party of Georgia shows willingness to implement workforce development as part of their economic platform, their stances will fall on deaf ears of many outside of Metro Atlanta and many black voters in Metro Atlanta. The black voters here feel like the DPG does not care about the economic empowerment of them, and hence why in statewide races there is tepid at best interest from that demographic. The outside of Metro Atlanta crowd feels like Atlanta sucks all of the oxygen out of the room for economic development or resources. They'll pay more attention to the dangling low-hanging fruit from the Georgia GOP before the DPG. It's all about giving everyone a chance at economic opportunity statewide.
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