12-18-2017, 08:26 AM
Location: Atlanta
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Some of you guys are so dramatic!
Crap happens, that's life! It is how we handle these things when the chips are down that really matters. There certainly could have been better communication throughout the outage, but beyond that I truly don't know what more some of you expect in unforeseen events. Now we are questioning the quality of the city and whether businesses should or shouldn't locate here over a singular/isolated incident at an massive airport that see's no issues 99% of the time? Geez........and then there's this inconvenient truth happening a few years ago. I guess no tourist or businesses are flocking to Rome anymore.....
https://www.usatoday.com/story/today...iers/70934062/
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12-18-2017, 08:26 AM
Location: Atlanta's Castleberry Hill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Ant131531
Someone brought up Amazon in this thread. It's absolutely things like this that makes Amazon question whether they should move here or not. This should NOT happen to a 1st world city major international airport in 2017. It's not even like we had inclement whether like ice or severe thunderstorms.
I totally disagree, if that was the case, Atlanta would not be behind Houston and NYC for corporate headquarters. One outlier event can not summed up 37 years of efficient service (except weather related events) since the airport open in 1980.
12-18-2017, 08:26 AM
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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Originally Posted by
StoicTao
So MARTA and the Atlanta Aircontrol Tower never lost power, but somehow the entire rest of the airport did? I realize no one was hurt, and am thankful for that, but this is a huge mess up that can't just be 'swept under the rug.' This could've been a lot worse than the current logistical nightmare. No one at the airport had any information or direction on what to do. The airport was lucky the vast majority of the passengers were patient and there was no pandemonium.
From the reports, it was only the Airport Terminals that were powered off the 120KvW feed (Dual Feeds) but the fire was in the A/B switching room. (A really bad single point of failure).
Marta feeds its station/rails at the airport independently off a different feed.
ATL/Tower would have backup generators that would power the entire tower, Atlanta Airside Operation would also have backup generators that could power most of the Airside, (Runway Light, ILS, Etc. ) Also they were probably not on the powerline that feeds the terminals. The FBO, UPS/FedEx FireHouses, Etc would feed off the power lines that feed road that goes past them. Not connected to Atlanta Terminal Power.
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12-18-2017, 08:30 AM
Location: Atlanta's Castleberry Hill
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I think most people comments show that the don't travel often and experience other facilities. ATL is still the model for the number of flights and people it moves efficiently. I'm glad this happen and the airport will deal with it and prevent it from occurring again. I'm most grateful is was not closer to Christmas.
12-18-2017, 08:35 AM
Location: Atlanta
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Atlwarrior
I think most people comments show that the don't travel often and experience other facilities. ATL is still the model for the number of flights and people it moves efficiently. I'm glad this happen and the airport will deal with it and prevent it from occurring again. I'm most grateful is was not closer to Christmas.
Exactly!
Its not the most glamorous airport in the world, but for its size it's operations is nothing short of amazing!
12-18-2017, 08:44 AM
Location: Upper Westside
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Sualpine
Agreed. Amazon probably wasn't going to choose Atlanta anyway, but now I doubt we're even in top 10 after this.
Lol
12-18-2017, 08:48 AM
Location: Atlanta
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Sualpine
Agreed. Amazon probably wasn't going to choose Atlanta anyway, but now I doubt we're even in top 10 after this.
Nothing but delusional, wishful thinking on your part.
12-18-2017, 08:55 AM
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Who are the "brains" behind the airport operations? Who ensures that technology is up to date and ready for the future?
12-18-2017, 09:08 AM
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Need4Camaro
Backup generators are not going to keep an entire Airport operating if all the power sources are down, the only thing they're really good for is keeping priority systems online... but what baffles me is why an airport literally the size of a suburb is only being fed by one feed into the main grid.. Surely there should have been atleast another backup route to the main grid should something like this happen.. There's no excuse, something like this should not have happened to an airport the size of Hartsfield Jackson unless some planned attack occurred.
Exactly. Even some large computer data centers receive their power from different power sources, from different directions, so that a singular event can't take out the entire facility.
There are plenty of backup systems that could keep that airport running at decent capacity. You may not be able to run HVAC, restaurants might not be able to cook, and the train could go down, but you should at least be able to keep lights on, elevators running, and computers going. If a large concert, which takes a boatload of power to run, can be run exclusively off generators, so can the basic systems of any building.
The airport should have a backup generator every few hundred feet on every concourse to run essential systems.
But beyond even that...why was it pitch black? Why was there no emergency lighting? Did they seriously wire all of their emergency lighting to backup power instead of having any battery units?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
JMatl
You seem to have issues with just about every aspect of life here.
He makes a very valid point. ITP alone, there are four separate counties. Within a few miles of the perimeter, we gain several more. It's nearly impossible to get anything major accomplished when every area has its own rules, must come up with its own taxes, etc. It is possible to live somewhere, love it, but point out its very obvious shortcomings.
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Originally Posted by
flyonpa
The Atlanta Airspace Never shutdown. (FAA Atlanta Approach and Atlanta Center are not located at the AIrport.) Atlanta Tower Never lots power.
Yep...it's down between Peachtree City and Senoia. And I guarantee you that place has several redundant backup power systems.
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Originally Posted by
StoicTao
So MARTA and the Atlanta Aircontrol Tower never lost power, but somehow the entire rest of the airport did?
MARTA's power is likely coming from a different source. Well, obviously it is. The tower absolutely has its own generator to keep it running.
Probably this building .
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Originally Posted by
Sualpine
Agreed. Amazon probably wasn't going to choose Atlanta anyway, but now I doubt we're even in top 10 after this.
I highly, highly doubt that a company the size of Amazon is going to completely drop a city they are likely highly considering for a permanent new headquarters with tens of thousands of jobs, over a single power outage.
And, who's this "we"? You don't live here.
12-18-2017, 09:16 AM
Location: Orange Blossom Trail
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Sualpine
Agreed. Amazon probably wasn't going to choose Atlanta anyway, but now I doubt we're even in top 10 after this.
I am totally fine about Amazon going somewhere else. Atlanta really doesnt need Amazon to be great. Its a shame so many have this low self esteem that they fell Atlanta needs to be the next New York City. Amazon can kick rocks. Atlanta is good without them.
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People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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