21 story tower proposed for Old Fourth Ward

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Holy hell. I am way too drunk to have any clue what this is saying/asking. (and jsvh...I took lyft...don't worry)

Well, now it all makes sense.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by clayton white guy

off topic i know, but doesn't our city look beautifully green with all the trees in these renderings.....what i love most about atlanta, the city in a forest. ;0)

incidentally perhaps not 20 stories tall, but mid rise buildings in the old industrial sector on the northern periphery of old fourth ward would not seem out of place, just not further east or south around the lovely older tree shaded streets around the eastern edge of ralph mcgill, etc. Now, if they would put even a 40 story building in the place of those ugly flop boarding house looking things around the northern tier of boulevard just south of where it crosses the north avenue/ ponce de leon avenue area, i think all of atlanta would rejoice!

Originally Posted by forhall

there always has to be a "first". The first 17 story building will look weird in o4w until it's joined by a 20 story building. And those two will look a little odd until three more 15-20 story buildings show up. Twenty years later people will tell the story of when people thought a 17 story building in o4w was "out of place" as they look around on the neighborhood from the 35th floor of their apartment building.

Someone has to be the first to break the size barrier in a neighborhood, take the heat for it, then open it up for others to follow suit. That's how we build density. Look at where o4w is located, what amenities it has, and how popular it has become. Anyone trying to fight to keep it a "suburban single family home" neighborhood is fighting a losing battle. Which other neighborhood demolished a suburban style kroger to rebuild it vertically?? This isn't heading towards looking like a subdivision in alpharetta, and if that's what you want you should probably look elsewhere.

Originally Posted by aries4118

ok, y'all. Then,

why don't we start building highrises in/within the midtown garden district? Ansley park? (such a prime location) virginia-highland? Sherwood forest? Piedmont heights? Home park? Loring heights? Brookwood hills? Ardmore? Summerhill? Peachtree hills? Peachtree park?


All the aforementioned neighborhoods above--
1. Border the beltline, a marta line, a transit line, or a proposed transit line.
2. Border (or are very close to) a highrise district or prime urban-city neighborhood.
3. Cherish the bucolic nature of their single-family residential streets.



Go...

Originally Posted by aries4118

midtown garden district

http://www.midtownatlanta.org/wp-con...2017_part1.pdf

http://www.midtownatlanta.org/wp-con...2017_part2.pdf

Originally Posted by aries4118

interesting.

You don't think o4w cherishes the bucolic nature of its single-family residential streets?

And/or, are you saying that the sole reason those neighborhoods are preserving the single-family homes is due to advocacy--otherwise it/they should be high-rised?

Originally Posted by aries4118

i just saw your additional statement.


I can understand that--if it truly is only the immediate area. However, it seems to me that other/some posters on this thread are saying that the trend in o4w is to bulldoze willy-nilly the single-family streets without a sense of bucolic, atlanta-essence preservation that we see in other pristine, urban neighborhoods.

If it is peripheral high-rising--i say, hell-to-the-yes. It would be great to have the juxtaposition in o4w that we see in midtown, ansley park, home park, loring heights, and all the neighborhoods in the peachtree road corridor.

However, if due to o4w's "hotness" we lose the character of its single-family streets to accommodate all of the high interest--well then, that's a major concern.

Originally Posted by aries4118

true. I am not necessarily advocating one way or the other. However, if we are to keep the atlanta tradition of bucolic residential neighborhoods next to hyper-urban districts/corridors, i would hope the "o4w fervor" does not cause further high-rising about a block away (based on photo).

Also, there is the risk of slippery-slope--we did this, let's see if we can do more.

Keep in mind, i hope that o4w is able to do both: High-rise and urbanize, while also preserving the bucolic nature of several key residential streets.


"both-and, not either-or"

Originally Posted by iconographer

i do, at least the parts that have remained relatively intact. But much of o4w's residential area has been encroached upon by crummy apartment and industrial buildings starting about 60 years ago. That is not the case in most of the neighborhoods that you cite.
Besides, what sfh neighborhoods is the building in question compromising? It looks like it is surrounded by other midrise multifamily development whose main complaint is that it is taller than the other buildings in the area...at this moment in time. The point has been made that there is a lot of development comparable to this already on the boards in the same area. Zoningwise, the writing's on the wall. And how have sfh areas like ansley park, ardmore park, brookwood hills and loring heights managed to co-exist with the highrises lining peachtree and piedmont that edge their neighborhoods? Is o4w somehow different?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/hi...!4d-84.3651694

Originally Posted by aries4118

Why in the hell is Old Fourth Ward divided between four different neighborhood associations--instead of just forming one association that is cohesive and strong???


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Fourth Ward Neighbors: Fourth Ward Neighbors | Official site for the FWN in Atlanta, Georgia

Fourth Ward West: https://www.facebook.com/FourthWardWest

Fourth Ward Alliance: https://www.facebook.com/fourthwardalliance

4th and S.A.N.D.: https://www.facebook.com/pages/4th-SAND/364176997698

Originally Posted by cqholt

this part of o4w is zoned for density
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a_l...gyfw7rnve/view

Originally Posted by iconographer

there are numerous examples of buildings that tower over their neighbors, anyway.

Empire state building, nyc
us bank tower, los angeles
transamerica tower, san francisco
john hancock tower, boston
the shard, london

where is the hue and cry there?

Originally Posted by iconographer

if such a thing were true, then buckhead, ansley park, and midtown's lowrise residential areas would have been obliterated long ago.

Originally Posted by aries4118

well, then...if the proposed high-rise is not really encroaching on bucolic, single-family streets (as implied in some of the earlier posts in this thread), then i guess it must be ok.

I think i just need to go down there and take a look for myself. I have not been in that neck of the woods in a while.

Single Family Homes, High-Rises, and a Park!

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by aries4118

Single Family Homes, High-Rises, and a Park!

I am not sure what city this is but assuming this is one of the many world cities that don't mirror our style of restrictive zoning, there is probably a lot more missing-middle style housing and the SFH that are there likely are for the wealthy and have minimal if any setbacks..

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by jsvh

I am not sure what city this is but assuming this is one of the many world cities that don't mirror our style of restrictive zoning, there is probably a lot more missing-middle style housing and the SFH that are there likely are for the wealthy and have minimal if any setbacks..

The jpg shows, it's Sao Paulo.