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Old 05-13-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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Well, I guess it's to be expected. Although this study was in San Francisco, they say other metros may be experiencing the same problem.

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Stuck in traffic? You might blame the ride-hailing app on your phone.

Tech companies like Uber and Lyft may be responsible for more than half of the increase in rush-hour congestion in San Francisco’s bustling downtown, according to a study published Wednesday in Science Advances. Other downtown areas across the country may be experiencing the same jump in gridlock, the researchers said, as people turn to their phones to arrange rides rather than walking, taking the bus or staying home.

More...Why is your Uber or Lyft stuck in traffic? Most likely because of Uber and Lyft
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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Why would Uber/Lyft/Taxi's add any more vehicles to traffic than if one drove their own vehicle or waiting for a family/friend pick-up. Unless one lives in an airport terminal, I'm not sure how this adds to traffic (?)

The horrific Atlanta traffic is because they lack sufficient roads to manage rush-hour traffic. The 'newish' express lanes ($4 one-way) bypass a lot of the traffic delays ... at a cost not that much less than hailing an Uber/Lyft.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:04 PM
 
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since this is an Atlanta forum....
blame ANYthing for the traffic.
a slight breeze on 285.
never gets better but
could be worse.
just wait.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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I mean maybe in New York or San Francisco. Or wherever it's people getting a Lyft instead of transit, as in, they would have otherwise taken transit if the ride share was not available. Then, I guess it's not helping traffic.

But at least for me, the alternative would be me driving and parking somewhere, so it's at least reducing the need for parking.

Traffic is not a bad thing, and it's certainly not opposed by urbanists. I think the more we can take more ride shares, the less parking spaces we need in the city, then that makes it more of an ideal environment for density and more transit.
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Old 05-13-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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I mean maybe in New York or San Francisco. Or wherever it's people getting a Lyft instead of transit, as in, they would have otherwise taken transit if the ride share was not available. Then, I guess it's not helping traffic.

But at least for me, the alternative would be me driving and parking somewhere, so it's at least reducing the need for parking.

Traffic is not a bad thing, and it's certainly not opposed by urbanists. I think the more we can take more ride shares, the less parking spaces we need in the city, then that makes it more of an ideal environment for density and more transit.
I guess they are saying that a lot of folks who take Uber and such would have taken MARTA or just stayed home. That could be true for people who are thinking about going out and drinking.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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Why would Uber/Lyft/Taxi's add any more vehicles to traffic than if one drove their own vehicle or waiting for a family/friend pick-up. Unless one lives in an airport terminal, I'm not sure how this adds to traffic (?)

The horrific Atlanta traffic is because they lack sufficient roads to manage rush-hour traffic. The 'newish' express lanes ($4 one-way) bypass a lot of the traffic delays ... at a cost not that much less than hailing an Uber/Lyft.
Well, if you drive somewhere, and then you park—you only contribute to traffic while you are your car driving. If you Uber, your Uber is contributing to traffic even before you even you get in the car—the trip to pick you up adds to traffic, and then the Uber contributes to traffic after they drop you off. And, then you add to that the time that you and the Uber driver try to find each other when communication fails, and then add to that, the traffic caused when the Uber stops traffic to pick you up, and...
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:37 PM
 
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Anything that takes a person off of transit and puts them into a car is by definition worsening traffic.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:55 PM
 
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So what this study is describing is induced demand just like when we add more lanes to the highway. The more people perceive the mode of transport to be faster or more convenient, the more people use them and f*ck it all up.
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:29 PM
 
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Oh well. You can't have it all. I wouldn't benefit from these services but it's apparent that many are. The fact that they could be causing a noticeable increase in traffic shows that there is growing demand. Atlanta's population has grown a lot and the infrastructure just doesn't support it and so what are you doing to do? I wouldn't have hate towards the two if it only has to do with the topic of traffic.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:14 AM
 
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This makes sense to me. I can think of business trips wherein one person would rent a van for themselves and their 4 colleagues, and now instead we all just take an uber.

But it was never billed as a traffic saver to me. These services took an otherwise outdated and gritty taxi service (took a long time to hail, many didn't take credit cards, having to tip in the presence of the driver, lack of accountability (couldn't leave a review of your driver)) and made it much better. I has helped to partially solve the last mile problem.

My auto mechanic is 2.5 miles down the road. There have been times where I dropped my car off and took an uber home in the rain while my car was being worked on, I would have never bothered with a Taxi.
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