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Old 01-19-2021, 03:27 PM
 
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This is gonna go nowhere fast like usual. I love how they have to keep reiterating how diverse this task force is.
I agree that this newest push for Buckhead cityhood probably may not go anywhere like past Buckhead cityhood efforts ultimately did not.

But it probably should be cautioned that this newest Buckhead cityhood push takes place against a completely different and unique political and social backdrop than other Buckhead cityhood efforts might have taken place.

This current Buckhead cityhood push is taking place in an environment where the city of Atlanta (including the Buckhead district) has been experiencing some very significant crime spikes... Crime spikes that probably have not been helped by ongoing morale issues within the Atlanta Police Department.

This current push for Buckhead cityhood is also taking place in a political environment where there has been a growing effort by deeply conservative rural and exurban state legislators to enable Georgia state government to take ownership and political control of Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport away from the City of Atlanta.

Conservative state legislators who might not have supported the Buckhead cityhood issue in the past, potentially might not be so dismissive of the idea this time.

That’s especially with many deeply conservative OTP state legislators likely figuring that letting Buckhead break away from the City of Atlanta would weaken the City of Atlanta’s political and financial grip over the Airport, and make the Atlanta Airport much more politically and financially vulnerable to a state takeover.

Letting Buckhead break away from the City of Atlanta to form its own new city gives those state legislators and OTP interests who want a state takeover of the Atlanta Airport much more political and financial leverage on that issue.

Governor Brian Kemp potentially also might not be so dismissive of the effort to let Buckhead break away from the City of Atlanta into its own new city.

Kemp potentially might would be willing to support the idea, especially if he thought doing so would help him survive what right now figures to be an extremely difficult and challenging re-election campaign as he is likely to face some really rough political challenges from both his right (via what very likely could be a Trump-backed challenger) and his left (via what is very likely to be a very tough rematch with an exceedingly well-funded and organized Stacey Abrams).

If the issue of Buckhead cityhood gains steam with affluent Buckhead voters (something that may not be completely out of the realm of possibility with the spiking crime rates and policing issues in the City of Atlanta, including in Buckhead), Kemp may feel that may be in his best interests to support it.

Kemp potentially also may be willing to support Buckhead cityhood if he thought that doing so would help Georgia state government to gain control of the Atlanta Airport, a move which many Republicans and conservatives might think would help them maintain political power in a state where rapidly changing demographics appear to be severely eroding recent GOP dominance and control of Georgia politics.

And the precedent for a sitting Georgia governor to support a new city being created out of an existing city seems to be there with former Governor Deal supporting the right for Eagle’s Landing residents to vote on the proposal to form a new city out of the existing City of Stockbridge back in 2018.

Like past Buckhead cityhood efforts, this latest push for Buckhead cityhood ultimately may not go anywhere.

But given the unique circumstances of the current political and social environment, this current Buckhead cityhood effort probably should not be summarily dismissed by its opponents.

It probably may not go anywhere, but the unique current political and social environment might have some potential to give it more momentum than ever before.

 
Old 01-19-2021, 04:02 PM
 
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I agree that this newest push for Buckhead cityhood probably may not go anywhere like past Buckhead cityhood efforts ultimately did not.

But it probably should be cautioned that this newest Buckhead cityhood push takes place against a completely different and unique political and social backdrop than other Buckhead cityhood efforts might have taken place.

This current Buckhead cityhood push is taking place in an environment where the city of Atlanta (including the Buckhead district) has been experiencing some very significant crime spikes... Crime spikes that probably have not been helped by ongoing morale issues within the Atlanta Police Department.

This current push for Buckhead cityhood is also taking place in a political environment where there has been a growing effort by deeply conservative rural and exurban state legislators to enable Georgia state government to take ownership and political control of Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport away from the City of Atlanta.

Conservative state legislators who might not have supported the Buckhead cityhood issue in the past, potentially might not be so dismissive of the idea this time.

That’s especially with many deeply conservative OTP state legislators likely figuring that letting Buckhead break away from the City of Atlanta would weaken the City of Atlanta’s political and financial grip over the Airport, and make the Atlanta Airport much more politically and financially vulnerable to a state takeover.

Letting Buckhead break away from the City of Atlanta to form its own new city gives those state legislators and OTP interests who want a state takeover of the Atlanta Airport much more political and financial leverage on that issue.

Governor Brian Kemp potentially also might not be so dismissive of the effort to let Buckhead break away from the City of Atlanta into its own new city.

Kemp potentially might would be willing to support the idea, especially if he thought doing so would help him survive what right now figures to be an extremely difficult and challenging re-election campaign as he is likely to face some really rough political challenges from both his right (via what very likely could be a Trump-backed challenger) and his left (via what is very likely to be a very tough rematch with an exceedingly well-funded and organized Stacey Abrams).

If the issue of Buckhead cityhood gains steam with affluent Buckhead voters (something that may not be completely out of the realm of possibility with the spiking crime rates and policing issues in the City of Atlanta, including in Buckhead), Kemp may feel that may be in his best interests to support it.

Kemp potentially also may be willing to support Buckhead cityhood if he thought that doing so would help Georgia state government to gain control of the Atlanta Airport, a move which many Republicans and conservatives might think would help them maintain political power in a state where rapidly changing demographics appear to be severely eroding recent GOP dominance and control of Georgia politics.

And the precedent for a sitting Georgia governor to support a new city being created out of an existing city seems to be there with former Governor Deal supporting the right for Eagle’s Landing residents to vote on the proposal to form a new city out of the existing City of Stockbridge back in 2018.

Like past Buckhead cityhood efforts, this latest push for Buckhead cityhood ultimately may not go anywhere.

But given the unique circumstances of the current political and social environment, this current Buckhead cityhood effort probably should not be summarily dismissed by its opponents.

It probably may not go anywhere, but the unique current political and social environment might have some potential to give it more momentum than ever before.
Brian Kemp has nothing to do with the creation of a possible prospective city of Buckhead. He is not a King, Dictator, Monarch, etc. The issue would first have to be brought up in the State house via introducing legislation allowing the creation of a city of Buckhead. It would have to pass there then It would then have to go up for a vote within the citizens who live in the prospective city boundaries. Only if that vote is approved would Gov Kemp then step in and name a commission tasked with helping shepherd that process of city hood along. His involvement is very minimal and only if the legislation passes.

By state law, cities are required to provide at least three services. For example when Brookhaven was formed they took over their own police, paving, parks and zoning from DeKalb County. They outsource nearly all other government services. A potential city of Buckhead due to the financial power and influence would then be able to secure local community control over planning, zoning, land use, police, fire protection, and parks and recreation—rather than having those issues decided from what has shown to become an incompetent and unethical city hall in Atlanta under KLB.

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Old 01-19-2021, 04:30 PM
 
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Brian Kemp has nothing to do with the creation of a possible prospective city of Buckhead. He is not a King, Dictator, Monarch, etc. The issue would first have to be brought up in the State house via introducing legislation allowing the creation of a city of Buckhead. It would then have to go up for a vote within the citizens who live in the prospective city boundaries. Only if the vote is approved would Gov Kemp then step in and name a commission tasked with helping shepherd that process of city hood along. His involvement is very minimal and only if the legislation passes.

By state law, cities are required to provide at least three services. For example when Brookhaven was formed they took over their own police, paving, parks and zoning from DeKalb County. They outsource nearly all other government services. A potential city of Buckhead due to the financial power and influence would then be able to secure local community control over planning, zoning, land use, police, fire protection, and parks and recreation—rather than having those issues decided from what has shown to become an incompetent and unethical city hall in Atlanta under KLB.
Brian Kemp is not a King/Dictator/Monarch.

But as Governor, Kemp would decide whether to sign or veto the legislation to allow the proposed City of Buckhead to be voted on by the citizens who live within the boundaries of the proposed new city.

The precedent for allowing such a vote for a proposed new city to be formed out of an existing city was set back in May 2018 when Governor Deal signed the legislation allowing the proposed new city of Eagles Landing to be voted on by citizens within the boundaries of the proposed city in a referendum in November of that year.

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STOCKBRIDGE, Ga. — Backers of the city of Eagles Landing say they’re looking forward to a vote to ratify their city in November – now that Gov. Nathan Deal has signed controversial legislation to create it. Opponents say they expect to sue before then.

The unprecedented new city would peel off portions of the city of Stockbridge.
The Eagles Landing, Stockbridge staredown goes to voters - The unprecedented new city would peel off portions of the city of Stockbridge. (11Alive, 9 May 2018)
 
Old 01-19-2021, 04:40 PM
 
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Brian Kemp is not a King/Dictator/Monarch.

But as Governor, Kemp would decide whether to sign or veto the legislation to allow the proposed City of Buckhead to be voted on by the citizens who live within the boundaries of the proposed new city.

The precedent for allowing such a vote for a proposed new city to be formed out of an existing city was set back in May 2018 when Governor Deal signed the legislation allowing the proposed new city of Eagles Landing to be voted on by citizens within the boundaries of the proposed city in a referendum in November of that year.



The Eagles Landing, Stockbridge staredown goes to voters - The unprecedented new city would peel off portions of the city of Stockbridge. (11Alive, 9 May 2018)
Yes. I clearly explained that. Kemp doesn’t introduce, vote, or decide if a prospective city hood vote is brought before the State house. He only comes into play after that and in a very minimal role controlled by checks and balances well beforehand. It’s why it’s called a vote and not the decision of a Dictator.
 
Old 01-19-2021, 07:18 PM
 
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What I don't understand is why residents of Buckhead would possibly vote against it.

What's the benefit of staying part of Atlanta?

(and if you say being able to write Atlanta, GA instead of Buckhead, GA on snail mail, I'm going to laugh hysterically for 30 minutes).
 
Old 01-19-2021, 08:00 PM
 
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I don't see it happening.

Yes, the city of Atlanta government treats Buckhead like the red-headed stepchild.

However, many of the powers-that-be in the downtown and Midtown business, education, arts and healthcare communities live in Buckhead, and I doubt they want see Atlanta become the next Detroit or St. Louis.
 
Old 01-19-2021, 08:15 PM
 
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You simply don’t get it. Buckhead would have its own Mayor own city council own police force and own police chief. Do you think they will not show up when people call? The crime simply wouldn’t be tolerated or ignored like it has been the last two years. It doesn’t matter who the idea came from. City Hall has let this problem fester and they just might get the ultimate middle finger in the end. There would be nobody to blame but the incompetent leadership at City Hall if this happens. Look at Brookhaven and Sandy Springs they are thriving being their own entities. What is being discussed has already been proven to work in Atlanta. If you want to stick your head in the sand so be it but the facts show otherwise.
Oh I get it and I know you do too. Buckhead has one problem that will always be a magnet for crime. Lenox Mall and the club district. Sandy Springs nor Brookhaven have either of these.
Crime in both Brookhaen and especially Sandy Springs have been increasing and last year it spiked in Sandy Springs. Why is that?After all these are cities with thier own police,mayor,etc?

It will be higher and more taxes for sure in those cities and the only difference will be they wont hae the city of Atlanta to blame anymore.
 
Old 01-19-2021, 08:18 PM
 
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I don't see it happening.

Yes, the city of Atlanta government treats Buckhead like the red-headed stepchild.

However, many of the powers-that-be in the downtown and Midtown business, education, arts and healthcare communities live in Buckhead, and I doubt they want see Atlanta become the next Detroit or St. Louis.
It took a culmination of 30 years for Sandy Springs to get city hood. Could it be that we have reached that point now for Buckhead? This isn’t the first time and won’t be the last time this topic is broached by Buckhead residents. If they were to succeed you would likely see an influx of residents into Buckhead from other intown areas. Maybe this would give some people on here what they want? We keep seeing certain posters whine and complain day after day about people moving into the city core and ‘displacement’ etc. There have been several examples of success stories of city hood in metro Atlanta. You have Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, Brookhaven, Milton, Johns Creek, etc. All those places have unbelievable success and quality of life for their residents. For those trying to bring race or politics into this how are what any of those places did any different than the city of South Fulton? All those places are more diverse than the city of South Fulton. Brookhaven only passed by a 55 to 45 margin. Are people on here really dumb enough to think that of that 55 percent who voted in favor all of them were republicans and all of the 45 who voted against were Democrats? That there was zero crossover and that just perhaps people want to live in a stable and safe environment with good schools and jobs and want the tax dollars to be spent as efficiently as possible and want the most value for their money? Trying to bring race or politics into this is cop out and the lowest form of critical thinking imaginable. Buckhead has the right to do what they want as long as the citizens vote for it. Who are you, me, or anyone else on here to tell them they are wrong? We have a system for this and it will play out one way or the other.
 
Old 01-19-2021, 08:22 PM
 
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It took a culmination of 30 years for Sandy Springs to get city hood. Could it be that we have reached that point now for Buckhead? This isn’t the first time and won’t be the last time this topic is broached by Buckhead residents. If they were to succeed you would likely see an influx of residents into Buckhead from other intown areas. Maybe this would give some people on here what they want? We keep seeing certain posters whine and complain day after day about people moving into the city core and ‘displacement’ etc. There have been several examples of success stories of city hood in metro Atlanta. You have Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, Brookhaven, Milton, Johns Creek, etc. All those places have unbelievable success and quality of life for their residents. For those trying to bring race or politics into this how are what any of those places did any different than the city of South Fulton? All those places are more diverse than the city of South Fulton. Brookhaven only passed by a 55 to 45 margin. Are people on here really dumb enough to think that of that 55 percent who voted in favor all of them were republicans and all of the 45 who voted against were Democrats? That there was zero crossover and that just perhaps people want to live in a stable and safe environment with good schools and jobs and want the tax dollars to be spent as efficiently as possible and want the most value for their money? Trying to bring race or politics into this is cop out and the lowest form of critical thinking imaginable. Buckhead has the right to do what they want as long as the citizens vote for it. Who are you, me, or anyone else on here to tell them they are wrong? We have a system for this and it will play out one way or the other.
Totally agree. It’s time for Buckhead to break away.
 
Old 01-19-2021, 08:25 PM
 
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Oh I get it and I know you do too. Buckhead has one problem that will always be a magnet for crime. Lenox Mall and the club district. Sandy Springs nor Brookhaven have either of these.
Crime in both Brookhaen and especially Sandy Springs have been increasing and last year it spiked in Sandy Springs. Why is that?After all these are cities with thier own police,mayor,etc?

It will be higher and more taxes for sure in those cities and the only difference will be they wont hae the city of Atlanta to blame anymore.
You don’t get it. Crime is not the same in Brookhaven as it is in Buckhead. Same for Sandy Springs. The taxes won’t be higher they will be lower because they won’t have all the bloat that the city of Atlanta has. They outsource all their services so they gasp pay less for them. The whole reason Sandy Springs and Brookhaven exist is they have lower taxes and more efficient services and infrastructure than city of Atlanta. I will ask you how is what Brookhaven or Sandy Springs did any different than the city of South Fulton?
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