Cityhood movement gains traction in Cobb County (Atlanta, Sandy Springs: appointed, sales)

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by bu2

Well they need the opportunity to govern themselves closer rather than having a county government do it.

Well, you have a point.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by bu2

Well they need the opportunity to govern themselves closer rather than having a county government do it.

As a Vinings homeowner, that cityhood effort can go p*** off.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by Gulch

As a Vinings homeowner, that cityhood effort can go p*** off.

Vinings people should decide. But they really should either be their own city or part of Smyrna or Atlanta.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by bu2

Vinings people should decide. But they really should either be their own city or part of Smyrna or Atlanta.

Vinings should be a municipality if there is a need for Vinings to be a municipality and Vinings residents agree and feel that there is a need for Vinings to be a municipality.

But Vinings shouldn’t be part of Smyrna or the City of Atlanta because Vinings has governing priorities (including different zoning, public safety, code enforcement priorities, etc) that would be completely different from Smyrna and the City of Atlanta.

Vinings residents may or may not decide to make their community into a municipality, but Vinings residents most likely would never agree to have Vinings become part of Smyrna or the City of Atlanta because Vinings is completely politically different from both Smyrna and the City of Atlanta.

And Smyrna very likely would never want to annex Vinings because of vastly different governing priorities between the two areas.

And Cobb County leaders (who often have had a frosty relationship at best with the City of Atlanta and Fulton County) most assuredly would never allow the City of Atlanta to annex a Cobb County community like Vinings, which most likely would never agree to be annexed into the CoA.

[aries4118]

Vinings should be annexed by the City of Atlanta.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by bu2

Vinings people should decide. But they really should either be their own city or part of Smyrna or Atlanta.

Originally Posted by aries4118

Vinings should be annexed by the City of Atlanta.

I don’t understand why or how Vinings being annexed by the City of Atlanta could be a viable thing, politically and/or governmentally.

I don’t understand why an area like Vinings (which is a smaller affluent inner-suburban enclave and village area with its own unique geographical identity) would want to be annexed by either Smyrna or the City of Atlanta, which both have geographical identities, political identities, social identities, political priorities and governing priorities that are completely different from Vinings.

I also don’t understand how something like Vinings being annexed into the City of Atlanta would ever be able to become a reality when it does not at all appear that Vinings wants to be annexed into the CoA, Cobb County would never allow one of its communities to be annexed by the CoA (Cobb County government would just simply ask the Georgia Legislature to block such a move if it ever were to happen, which it most likely never would), and the City of Atlanta likely would never have any interest in annexing Vinings and taking on more suburban political problems when the CoA seemingly can’t even handle Buckhead right now.

And from a public safety and policing standpoint, I also don’t understand why Vinings would want to go from seemingly being maybe reasonably protected by a noticeably understaffed and stressed Cobb County Police Department to maybe being less protected by an undeniably severely understaffed and stressed Atlanta Police Department.

For those who would favor such a move, could someone please elaborate on why and how Vinings being annexed into the City of Atlanta would be beneficial for both Vinings and the CoA.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by aries4118

Vinings should be annexed by the City of Atlanta.

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

I don’t understand why or how Vinings being annexed by the City of Atlanta could be a viable thing, politically and/or governmentally.

I don’t understand why an area like Vinings (which is a smaller affluent inner-suburban enclave and village area with its own unique geographical identity) would want to be annexed by either Smyrna or the City of Atlanta, which both have geographical identities, political identities, social identities, political priorities and governing priorities that are completely different from Vinings.

I also don’t understand how something like Vinings being annexed into the City of Atlanta would ever be able to become a reality when it does not at all appear that Vinings wants to be annexed into the CoA, Cobb County would never allow one of its communities to be annexed by the CoA (Cobb County government would just simply ask the Georgia Legislature to block such a move if it ever were to happen, which it most likely never would), and the City of Atlanta likely would never have any interest in annexing Vinings and taking on more suburban political problems when the CoA seemingly can’t even handle Buckhead right now.

And from a public safety and policing standpoint, I also don’t understand why Vinings would want to go from seemingly being maybe reasonably protected by a noticeably understaffed and stressed Cobb County Police Department to maybe being less protected by an undeniably severely understaffed and stressed Atlanta Police Department.

For those who would favor such a move, could someone please elaborate on why and how Vinings being annexed into the City of Atlanta would be beneficial for both Vinings and the CoA.

To your points, the real question that would need to be asked is (either in cityhood or an annexation by Atlanta or Smyrna): "Would Vinings see any significant improvement for its residents and businesses over the existing governmental structure/services that currently exists for them?"

[arjay57]

If a new city of Buckhead forms (and I hope it doesn't) I could see Vinings hooking on with that.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by arjay57

If a new city of Buckhead forms (and I hope it doesn't) I could see Vinings hooking on with that.

Why would we want to get involved in that mess?

[primaltech]

Everything was fine pre-2005, with Georgia's counties handling police and government services except for the small historic towns (and the City of Atlanta), then Sandy Springs and then Johns Creek and then the rest had to go and incorporate as "cities" for some reason, and it kicked off all this unnecessary mess across the region.

Vinings should definitely not be a part of Smyrna (and they would never want to), and they would absolutely never be a part of Atlanta (or any city based in Fulton), whether they should be or not, which leaves remaining unincorporated, or forming a new city. With the former arrangement probably eventually becoming less viable as the rest of the county incorporates. It would be weird if East Cobb (which is just generic sprawl subdivisions suburbia) was in a city, and Vinings (which actually has historic identity and a village feel, at least in the historic area) was the only unincorporated area left in the county.

Seems to me that Vinings/Cumberland, which is the ITP section of Cobb, plus the Braves stadium area and a small section OTP (basically the 30339 zip code), could be a functional city, I guess called Vinings. I just mean on paper it could definitely be functional as far as commercial tax base and all that.

But if they exclude the Cumberland business district area (as per their proposal), then maybe that section could join the City of Atlanta? Which is only apartment/condo residential, mostly not residential, and I guess would technically bring the Braves back to Atlanta. (Technically, at least.)

Of course, that also would probably be ruined by the horrible possibility of Buckhead now splitting off and forming a new city, since that's the area of Atlanta that it borders

Vinings was my last residence in GA, 2 years ago, and every one of these threads/current news out of Atlanta makes me feel glad I left, sadly. All this stuff is disappointing. "South Fulton" and its ridiculous "borders", the Buckhead secession, and all these stupid fake suburb "cities" with no historic identity as such. Part of the issue is that Georgia doesn't have any other type of municipal government besides a city.