Missing Charlotte (Atlanta, Douglas, Dallas: middle-class, credit, neighborhoods)

[AtlantaGuy21]

Originally Posted by qc dreamin

there are plenty of famous people livinging in Charlotte. Including: llc cool j , jodeci , Sunshine Anerson, Nikki Minaj, etc. Also Nelly, michael jordan, and jeff Gordon own a piece of the Bobcats. Not to mention the Bobcats are owned by the only black male billionaire in the world. I really think that some Atlanta residents nee to take the time to really spend time in Charlotte or do their research before they judge. This si coming from someone who lived in Atlanta for 5 years and is originally from Charlotte.

WOW that really Out does Atlanta in the famous people catergory NOT !!!!! lol Now I think we should make a list of All the famous people that live in Atlanta and that are from Atlanta . That list would go for days

[mrdkb]

Originally Posted by qc dreamin

there are plenty of famous people livinging in Charlotte. Including: llc cool j , jodeci , Sunshine Anerson, Nikki Minaj, etc. Also Nelly, michael jordan, and jeff Gordon own a piece of the Bobcats. Not to mention the Bobcats are owned by the only black male billionaire in the world. I really think that some Atlanta residents nee to take the time to really spend time in Charlotte or do their research before they judge. This si coming from someone who lived in Atlanta for 5 years and is originally from Charlotte.

jodeci , Sunshine Anerson, Nikki Minaj, are not famous. Who's "etc.."

[Mgyeldell]

Originally Posted by mrdkb

jodeci , Sunshine Anerson, Nikki Minaj, are not famous. Who's "etc.."

Just cause you don't know who they are don't make them "unfamous?"

Jodeci- Big Duo in the late 80's and 90's. KC from the Duo has actually been in my house

Sunshine Anderson- One Hit wonder who made "Heard it all before"

Nikki Minaj- Just came out

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by PT 3000

There is no land for Atlanta to annex, Buckhead was the last annexation and that was back in the 50's, Atlanta is landlocked and surrounded by small cities and towns that go balistic when Atlanta try's to get closer to their city limit borders, I think it has something to do with the fact that Atlanta is mainly a black government and "people" don't want to be controlled by a mainly black government, take a guess as to why Forsyth County, GA grew so fast this past decade.

OH...so anyone who doesn't approve of a fantasy, nonsensical idea for Atlanta to just swallow up surrounding cities (that are doing fine as is, thank you) is a racist? It's all about the fact that Atlanta has a black Mayor?

What is the malfunction with you folks and your obsession for the City of Atlanta to expand? What is the difference if Sandy Springs is a separate city, controlled by local elected officials and the residents, or a smaller part of the larger City of Atlanta? Why do people have this knee jerk reaction to make Atlanta geographically larger, especially when none of the residents of the surrounding communities has ever wanted that outcome?

People....there is absolutely nothing wrong with an anchor city like Atlanta, surrounded by smaller communities and suburbs. There is no rule that says that an MSA must have a certain percentage of its population in that anchor city to somehow qualify as a "real" city or to meet some imagined criteria for urbanism.

Give it a rest already...please.

[AtlantaGuy21]

Originally Posted by Mgyeldell

Just cause you don't know who they are don't make them "unfamous?"

Jodeci- Big Duo in the late 80's and 90's. KC from the Duo has actually been in my house

Sunshine Anderson- One Hit wonder who made "Heard it all before"

Nikki Minaj- Just came out

The only person on that list that is current is nikki minaj i wouldnt even call her famous she just came out to mainstream.
There tired and played out Jodeci and Sunshine. The only one I can think of is Anthony Hamilton I love his music

[AtlantaGuy21]

Originally Posted by neil0311

OH...so anyone who doesn't approve of a fantasy, nonsensical idea for Atlanta to just swallow up surrounding cities (that are doing fine as is, thank you) is a racist? It's all about the fact that Atlanta has a black Mayor?

What is the malfunction with you folks and your obsession for the City of Atlanta to expand? What is the difference if Sandy Springs is a separate city, controlled by local elected officials and the residents, or a smaller part of the larger City of Atlanta? Why do people have this knee jerk reaction to make Atlanta geographically larger, especially when none of the residents of the surrounding communities has ever wanted that outcome?

People....there is absolutely nothing wrong with an anchor city like Atlanta, surrounded by smaller communities and suburbs. There is no rule that says that an MSA must have a certain percentage of its population in that anchor city to somehow qualify as a "real" city or to meet some imagined criteria for urbanism.

Give it a rest already...please.

I agree man its Silly if you ask me .You annex alot of land get a bigger population and parts of the CIty is still suburban and country (hint Charlotte)

[Akhenaton06]

Originally Posted by AtlantaGuy21

I agree man its Silly if you ask me .You annex alot of land get a bigger population and parts of the CIty is still suburban and country (hint Charlotte)

But when that land becomes developed, the property taxes go into the city coffers. It's not annexing for the sake of annexing; it just makes good fiscal sense.

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by Akhenaton06

But when that land becomes developed, the property taxes go into the city coffers. It's not annexing for the sake of annexing; it just makes good fiscal sense.

So it will go into the coffers of Sandy Springs, or whatever city we're discussing. It's no different than many metro areas.

Dunwoody is a great example...before incorporation, the property located in what is now the City of Dunwoody paid taxes to Dekalb County. That tax money went for many other things within the county, whereas now it goes 100% to provide services for the residents of the city. Why is that a bad thing?

[Akhenaton06]

Originally Posted by neil0311

So it will go into the coffers of Sandy Springs, or whatever city we're discussing. It's no different than many metro areas.

Dunwoody is a great example...before incorporation, the property located in what is now the City of Dunwoody paid taxes to Dekalb County. That tax money went for many other things within the county, whereas now it goes 100% to provide services for the residents of the city. Why is that a bad thing?

I didn't say it was a bad thing, but Charlotte doesn't have to contend with a bunch of suburbs surrounding the city wanting to incorporate for whatever reason. Our suburbs don't really have that "anti-big city" attitude that's more present in the Atlanta area. That goes a long way towards regional cooperation regarding things like transit, planning, etc. since the more jurisdictions you have to deal with, the harder those things are to accomplish. And the more the central city can expand to include adjacent territory within its boundaries, the better--from a fiscal standpoint. Furthermore, NC state law helps in this regard:

As zoning and other land use regulations first came into widespread use in North Carolina, this activity was almost exclusively a municipal concern. While most cities of any size were adopting zoning, only a few counties were doing so. As the post-World War II development boom took off, a good deal of the development occurred along the urban fringe, often in unregulated areas just outside of city corporate limits, and often in what was characterized at the time as "relatively chaotic fashion." The result in North Carolina, as in many states, was to authorize city "perimeter zoning," which is now known as municipal extraterritorial jurisdiction.

The more "elastic" a central city is, the better:

In the face of ubiquitous low-density development, a city’s ability to expand its municipal territory by annexation or consolidation directly affects its success or failure in maintaining market share. “Elastic” cities (like Charlotte) successfully defend their market share of regional growth through annexation (Charlotte, and, in the 1950s, Atlanta.)

Source (http://www.gamaliel.org/DavidRusk/Fannie%20Mae-Atlanta%20speech.pdf - broken link)

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Akhenaton06

I didn't say it was a bad thing, but Charlotte doesn't have to contend with a bunch of suburbs surrounding the city wanting to incorporate for whatever reason. Our suburbs don't really have that "anti-big city" attitude that's more present in the Atlanta area. That goes a long way towards regional cooperation regarding things like transit, planning, etc. since the more jurisdictions you have to deal with, the harder those things are to accomplish. And the more the central city can expand to include adjacent territory within its boundaries, the better--from a fiscal standpoint. Furthermore, NC state law helps in this regard:

As zoning and other land use regulations first came into widespread use in North Carolina, this activity was almost exclusively a municipal concern. While most cities of any size were adopting zoning, only a few counties were doing so. As the post-World War II development boom took off, a good deal of the development occurred along the urban fringe, often in unregulated areas just outside of city corporate limits, and often in what was characterized at the time as "relatively chaotic fashion." The result in North Carolina, as in many states, was to authorize city "perimeter zoning," which is now known as municipal extraterritorial jurisdiction.

The more "elastic" a central city is, the better:

In the face of ubiquitous low-density development, a city’s ability to expand its municipal territory by annexation or consolidation directly affects its success or failure in maintaining market share. “Elastic” cities (like Charlotte) successfully defend their market share of regional growth through annexation (Charlotte, and, in the 1950s, Atlanta.)

Source (http://www.gamaliel.org/DavidRusk/Fannie%20Mae-Atlanta%20speech.pdf - broken link)

Good response and good post.

Metro Atlanta would benefit with having a larger city proper and if present cities annexed more territory and new cities were created--leading to almost all of the metro being within incorporated territory.