Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 09-13-2009, 07:37 AM
 
Location: 30312
2,434 posts, read 3,831,685 times
Reputation: 2014

Advertisements

This is a spin-off of a previous thread entitled, Atlanta- Dangerous and Getting More Dangerous Daily!

Some on the latter commentary included the following:

[CENTER] "Originally Posted by equinox63
Before McDonald's had fruit and salad sides, all you could get was fries. Now that the customers know that there is a variety, they can get other options. Sure, people still buy the fries, but a whole lot of people get and enjoy those fruit and salad sides that did not before they knew there were other alternatives.

I'm not sure if you understand my point, but Marilyn Manson doesn't say shoot up schools, nor does he talk about himself shooting up schools. But MANY rappers claim to sell dope, pimp hoes, look fresh, tote a gat, and ball in the club and would encourage you to do the same. And how often is Manson played on the radio? Not nearly as much a Weezy and Jeezy I'm sure. And nobody is forcing Manson sing about angst and atheism or whatever. He sings what he wants regardless of what's "hot". Many of your favorite rappers do not. How many of Marilyn Mason's listeners are poor hood teens with little options or guidance? Even still, he may convince them to separate from the masses, wear black, stop going to church, and embrace the dark side... and many of his fans do that. Our (hip-hop and r&b) stars get way more exposure than Manson and they convince the girls to twerk somethin' for some fast cash, have the best sex with a baller or give him the best dome so he can ball out on you... Our stars are telling the dudes, always look fresh in your polo, get money anyway you can and there's plenty money in the streets, when you hustle hard enough to get it in the streets, get a tight ride, hit the strip club and make it rain on them hoes... (Trust me, you would not believe the stuff the kids... young kids take from this music.) When you and me was growing up, we listened to the hard stuff, but it was not as accessible as today... and NWA, Spice 1, UGK, and Too Short, etc got virtually NO radio play... and it didn't hurt their success at all...

Now don't get me wrong, I'm a hip-hop head, and I'm not hating on the rappers because half that stuff i mentioned i might listen to myself. But why is it so bad for public radio to set standards that the rappers can easily follow... You really think Gucci Mane will lose his entire fan-based if the music of his on the radio was exactly the same only he is not braggin' about flippin' chickens all day... In fact, he'd probably gain more fans...

No other genre of music has this problem but ours... What public radio station can you turn to and hear hard, hard, screaming, satanic, heavy metal all day? (...and there's definitely a market for it.) I can't think of any? Why? The "other" stations hold themselves to standards that we do not. I wonder why? What is at stake? Whose making the decisions here (for us)?
"


"Originally Posted by youngMichaelJackson You act like black people control the radio stations, or even own them for that matter. You can only fault the artists like Gucci Mane for basically pimping themselves to the system and selling their souls for money, but thats where it should stop. Old geezers in 3 piece suits decide what artist gets played where, by whom, and how many times."


"Originally Posted by equinox63
Exactly! I agree 100%. This is exactly my point. You hit the nail on the head. This is exactly what I have been saying. Thanks.

I was saying if, say, a movement to boycott the stations was initiated by progress-minded masses (like the montgomery bus boycott), the geezers would see that they would have to play more equitable music in order to regain listeners. Also, I thought it would force Gucci Mane (for example) and his image consultants, managers, publicists, and masta (i mean record label) to produce music with more quality content in order to get radio play again and to increase record sales.

That's why I alluded to the Eddie Longs and Creflo Dollars of Atlanta. They are the few people that I can think of that could staunchly influence the views and actions of 1000's and 1000's of blacks in order to evoke a positive chance... if they weren't sell-outs themselves.

Now this is just one idea. I'm open to others. A friend of mine said that about 15 to 30 masks goons need to run up on each Atlanta trap-rapper, lock them a room at a undisclosed location, and threaten their very lives if they do not stop being sell-outs and start using all aspects of their careers, music, influence, and all, to uplift the masses, or they would catch it . Y'know, the whole "We know where you live and we'll be watching you" routine. Although he was being facetious, I couldn't help but think... hmmm? Just kidding... kinda. But I feel a stern talk or even a meeting with every local Atlanta rapper at some conference room downtown with all of Atlanta's religious and/or political figures with a few hundred like-minded citizens of various ages came up with and agreed to a plan to give our kids positive messages through the public music media without taking money out of anyone's pocket... except "the man's", it would do a world of good for the entire Black community. Trust me, if Gucci could make more money rapping about bring up the hood, education, and unification... I'm sure he would...

After all, just because something is owned by a giant invisible corporate entity doesn't mean that we are helpless and powerless to its whims. Let's get out of that victim mindset... After all, it's not like when they are trying to sell us cigarettes... They are selling the concentrated ills of our own culture back to us in musical form... and because the music genres (not necessary the content) are directly related to the black community, we eat the crap that is produced from us, which is the result of the garbage THEY feed us. When we start feeding ourselves and reject the minstrel show that is currently shown to us, I think many underprivileged and wayward blacks in America can make that much needed paradigm shift..."


"Originally Posted byR1070
who cares if a black, white, latin or asian person owns something? I swear, I always hear how progressive and open minded Atlanta is but
this is the most racially sensitive city I have ever witnessed. And people
who live here don't realize it's not normal to think like that!"

"Originally Posted by Acid Snake
It's not normal to you because maybe you are not used to living in a place where people are brutally honest with each other. Atlanta has its faults but the one thing that it has over other places is that people here are more willing to put their cards on the table and have it out whereas other cities would have people pretending that everything is hunky-dory when in fact the opposite is the case.

Give me truth over falseness any day of the week."


Originally Posted by diva05
Originally Posted by PKCorey

Last time, I checked Cathy Hughes aka Radio One aka Kiss 104.1 and Hot 107.9 was black owned...???[/i]

PKCorey your right, Radio One owns 107.5, 107.9, and 102.5

Radio One: The Urban Media Specialist (http://www.radio-one.com/properties/radio_fact_sheet.asp?ID=4 - broken link)

In terms of control radio stations have over what they play, from my understanding they program formats based on $$ support from music executives, who are by in large white. haven't had many friends in the music business, like every other product, record companies choose who they will market, and how they will be marketed. in watching my friends peddle the bullsh*t music they promoted, i noticed that the dollars clearly went behind selling certain images of African-Americans. some of them did promote other vehicles beside hip-hop, and the spectrum for non-Black artists was much broader

anyone who has remotely payed attention to american history knows the stereotypes of minorities popularized throughout society is older than the country itself. the overly sexual black male thug, and the overly sexual black female concubine are American images of Black people that predates slavery. during early American history, these beliefs were reasons for the brutal treatment of black males to repress their natural barbaric sexual tendencies, and the excuse for regular raping of black women. post slavery these same images sparked many a race riot where white mobs destroyed black communites in a search for alleged black male racists (ie Tulsa, Rosewood) in more modern times these images help win political campaigns (i.e. Reagan and Willie Horton) or anger for the antithesis (i.e. Obama being too "uppitty" for not molding to this image) this familiar image sells well throughout mainstream America of all races, as these are the majority of patrons of this music. there are enough black kids in the suburbs who think its cool to pretend to be a thug; imagery is a powerful tool

personally, i think blaming music artists for the plight of the black community is a bit short sighted. they are more like kindle to the fire, rather than the ignition source.

but i digress from the original thread, sorry moderators."

Your commentary?

Last edited by equinox63; 09-13-2009 at 07:52 AM..

 
Old 09-13-2009, 08:58 PM
 
Location: West Cobb County, GA (Atlanta metro)
9,191 posts, read 33,820,795 times
Reputation: 5308
Um - we don't need "spin offs" of existing threads. Please add to that thread rather than re-create basically the same thing. Thanks.
Closed Thread


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta
View detailed profiles of:

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top