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Old 01-19-2010, 11:46 AM
 
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[A person] grew up in a conservative household and came out completely liberal. I wonder how that happened if your theory is actually true?

Sexual orientation, perhaps?




Just offering responses to the question...
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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Sweetie, I'm far from conservative. I can't believe you didn't pick up on that information.

I grew up in a conservative household and came out completely liberal. I wonder how that happened if your theory is actually true?
You saw where I said that these aren't absolute laws set in stone, right Just propensities. Hell I changed my mind too, but I didn't just wake up one day and think "You know what, everything I've ever known is entirely wrong!" It came from putting myself in a new school situation, discussing issues with different people, etc. It's not impossible to change at all, but it parents/friends/relatives at an early age do affect your views on things, at least until you find a really good reason to change them (and given that you're open minded enough to change them, given proper evidence).

And I'll restate and adjust my comment from earlier:
I can't believe I'm lecturing a liberal on the importance of family!



EDIT: Sorry for mis-characterizing you as conservative, btw. I must have mis-read the part of your post about moving to NYC.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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Sexual orientation, perhaps?




Just offering responses to the question...

That's sometimes the case (although not always by a long shot! And there are no absolutes, so it's hard to generalize like that.) In Deacon's case I think that's probably more a shot in the dark than an informed guess.

Anecdotally, I work with a recently-out gay guy brought up in a VERY conservative household and he's not letting a pesky thing like sexual orientation get in the way of his beliefs. Interesting guy.
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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I grew up in atlanta, went to college here, and have my own family here now living OTP. I've never been aware of any "ultra-conservative" areas. ...
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Of course you haven't. You grew up here and went to college here and are now raising your own family here. ...
However, if you moved to New York city, you'd likely feel that your new neighbors were ultra liberal...
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And yet 'Ultra Liberals' are referred to as simply that, while Conservatives are referred to as 'wing-nuts'. Let's not be disingenuous. Your POV is quite clear, although you do have a point about what is 'normal'.
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I wasn't trying to hide my POV, just say that my post wasn't about that. ... I expected the conservative reader to think "how ridiculous" about all of that but hopefully, to appreciate that one's notions of what's moderate and what's extreme (or "wing-nutty") depends a lot on local norms.
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Why would "local norms" have any bearing on the political views of an individual? I just don't believe that most people are influenced by what is considered "normal" in their geographical area. People believe what they believe, whether it's in NYC or Atlanta.

I guarantee you that if I moved to NYC, my neighbors' ultra-liberal beliefs wouldn't shock me in the least...and my beliefs wouldn't seem conservative to them.
C'mon Deacon, this was your first contribution to the above sub-thread. My "if you moved to NYC" comments that you're disputing were addressed to Wrigs, an evident conservative, not you or any other random liberal reader, for Pete's sake.

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This has been disproven a million times over. ...
I can't believe I'm lecturing a conservative on the importance of family in shaping our choices and the way that we look at the world (work ethic/morals/etc).
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Sweetie, I'm far from conservative. I can't believe you didn't pick up on that information.
So since you decided to respond as if you were Wrigs, everyone gets confused and thinks you're conservative. Whether intentionally or not, you really sowed confusion!
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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That's sometimes the case (although not always by a long shot! And there are no absolutes, so it's hard to generalize like that.) In Deacon's case I think that's probably more a shot in the dark than an informed guess.

Anecdotally, I work with a recently-out gay guy brought up in a VERY conservative household and he's not letting a pesky thing like sexual orientation get in the way of his beliefs. Interesting guy.

Not a shot in the dark, not a guess.


And I wasn't necessarily talking about DeacJ...look at my post it says [A person].
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:53 PM
 
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C'mon Deacon, this was your first contribution to the above sub-thread. My "if you moved to NYC" comments that you're disputing were addressed to Wrigs, an evident conservative, not you or any other random liberal reader, for Pete's sake.





So since you decided to respond as if you were Wrigs, everyone gets confused and thinks you're conservative. Whether intentionally or not, you really sowed confusion!

Good posting and responses.
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:57 PM
 
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C'mon Deacon, this was your first contribution to the above sub-thread. My "if you moved to NYC" comments that you're disputing were addressed to Wrigs, an evident conservative, not you or any other random liberal reader, for Pete's sake.





So since you decided to respond as if you were Wrigs, everyone gets confused and thinks you're conservative. Whether intentionally or not, you really sowed confusion!
Oh, my bad...I thought everyone was welcome to join the discussion. If you want to have a private convo, I suggest you do it somewhere else. This is a public forum. I respond as I see fit...and no, I don't always take time to read every page of every thread before throwing in my 2 cents. It has worked fine for me thus far, but thank you for the criticsm.
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Old 01-19-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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Sexual orientation, perhaps?




Just offering responses to the question...
Sexual orientation could have some influence on such a case, but certainly isn't the cause in most cases. I would attribute it to the independence of individual minds.
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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Sexual orientation could have some influence on such a case, but certainly isn't the cause in most cases. I would attribute it to the independence of individual minds.

But, in your case...


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Old 01-20-2010, 12:11 AM
 
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Sexual orientation could have some influence on such a case, but certainly isn't the cause in most cases. I would attribute it to the independence of individual minds.

Yeah, you know humans... all rugged individualists never possibly influenced by anyone or anything that happens around them.
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