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Old 01-14-2010, 09:10 AM
 
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We've established that after several supply lines failing in our Roswell community that our homes have polybutylene piping extending from the street to our homes. Our community was built by Pulte circa 2000-2001. We can assume this was approved by the city inspectors but we are confused why such product would be used despite its tendency to fail. Please advise.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:25 AM
 
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There's really nothing to advise, but the short answer to your "confused why such product would be used despite its tendency to fail" comment is simple- it's cheap.

If the material used was permitted by code at the time of the construction, no one did anything wrong. PB pipe is still permitted by the codes- most builders nowadays won't use it because of past problems, but back then the issues hadn't started to crop up in large volumes yet.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Johns Creek, GA
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That date is right on the line. 1999 was when the manufacturing was discontinued (the blue formula)- but stockpiles still existed I'm sure. That why there was no suspicion.
And just for informational purposes- water lines are not inspected. Just the sewer line. And even they aren't always inspected, just an affidavit.

Most of it was blue in color- hence the name, "blue poly". But it was also made in gray and black.

Google- Blue Poly or Polybutylene you find plenty of info.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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Thank you for the information. Several of us have been researching the "blue poly" so we are somewhat aware of the situation and outcomes. I suspected that Pulte chose to save money and go with PB but we are disillusioned with the fact that code does not prohibit the use of PB despite the dated class action suit against the product manufacturers. Water lines are not inspected was news to us as well. (Does this mean there is no inspection to ensure water lines are set below frost line depth?)
Shouldn't the city have showed more discretion towards the use of the product? I guess that water line stability does not meet the criteria that the building codes are to protect public health, safety and general welfare as they relate to the construction and occupancy of buildings and structures.

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Old 01-14-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Johns Creek, GA
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(Does this mean there is no inspection to ensure water lines are set below frost line depth?).
I look at it this way. If I'm a contractor doing work for Pulte- I got the job because I'm pretty good at what I do. I have a large enough staff to handle the day-to-day operations, and I have enough licensed employees that know right from wrong. And I also agree to a fixed price for all houses in a subdivision. That includes repairs, theft, and a one year warranty.

So, could it happen? Sure it could. What are the possibilities- slim. Because if frozen waterlines were the fault for failures- Pulte would rip me a new one. Then probably try to replace me (That probably wouldn't happen though- They've been using the same large, if not the largest residential plumbing contractor in the metro area ).
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