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Old 01-14-2010, 05:36 PM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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F I N A L L Y, after 8 long years Gov. Perdue, in the last year of his term
when there would be nothing political to lose (just sayin' ), has decided to back a regional transportation tax head on:

Governor backs regional transportation tax *| ajc.com

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The three-year push for transportation funding got big-time backing Thursday, as Gov. Sonny Perdue announced his support for a referendum on a regional sales tax, and said he would also ask the Legislature to approve $300 million in borrowing for transportation projects statewide.

He said he hoped future governors and Legislatures would continue to pass $300 million per year in bond funding for transportation projects, for a total of $3 billion over 10 years. The money would be paid back by general state funds, not be taken out of the transportation gas-tax budget.
While it pains every Progressive/liberal/socialist/Democratic bone in my body, I support this 100%.

There's just one eenie weenie problem:

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For the regional taxes, the state would be divided into 12 regions. Each region would vote in 2012 on whether to approve the tax. A region's citizens would be voting on whether to approve the 1-cent sales tax, and on the list of projects to be built with that money. If the tax is approved, shoppers would probably start paying it within the following year. All the money raised from the tax would be spent on projects in the same region, Perdue said.

The Atlanta region would consist of Fulton, DeKalb, Gwinnett, Rockdale, Henry, Fayette, Clayton, Douglas, Cobb and Cherokee counties. Different studies have produced different estimates of how much such a tax would raise, but the Atlanta Regional Commission has estimated it at $790 million a year, said ARC Government Affairs Manager Catherine Brulet.
While the details still have to be worked out, based on what is in the article, the whole region would have to approve the sales tax. Hopefully if one or more counties out of the 11 votes against the measure the counties that approve won't be penalized.

On the bright side, if the ARCs estimates for yearly revenues for this tax are correct, Concept3 here we come baby! Might even have to throw in a couple of new MARTA subway lines while we're at it.
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Old 01-14-2010, 05:55 PM
 
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I think the Atlanta "region" (one of the 12) should be expanded to include more counties: Coweta, Carroll, Paulding, Bartow, Forsyth, Hall, Barrow, Walton, Newton, Spalding
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Old 01-14-2010, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Better late than never, eh? I just hate that Sonny would have to resort to a sales tax to do it. Sales taxes are so regressive & heavily penalizes the poor & least well-off the most.

There are plenty of wealthy folks here who could stand to pay their fair share in income taxes to a state that has given them so much in terms of a great & progressive environment to do business. Whatever though.

I'll take this solution, for what it's worth, I guess...
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Old 01-14-2010, 07:37 PM
 
Location: West Cobb County, GA (Atlanta metro)
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People are notorious here for many times not even voting for a tax to build/better the educational facilities here, so given the "choice", there's not a big chance they'll opt-in for a voluntary tax for transportation issues.
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Old 01-14-2010, 08:14 PM
 
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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People are notorious here for many times not even voting for a tax to build/better the educational facilities here, so given the "choice", there's not a big chance they'll opt-in for a voluntary tax for transportation issues.
That's my biggest concern with this whole scheme. If you break it down by the likelihood of each county in the "Atlanta Tax Region" under this plan it would be:

The counties 100% Guaranteed likelihood to vote for the plan are Fulton, Dekalb and Clayton.

Somewhat likely, but it will be very close Gwinnett, Douglas and Cobb

Less than likely would be Rockdale, Henry, Fayette

Cherokee would be extremely unlikely to vote in favor of this plan

On a positive side, the article says that any sales tax increase will be attached to a specific plan. If it is broken down by the project to funded in the area the people are voting in, then the outer counties would likely vote in favor of it. If however people in Cherokee county are asked to on a ballot to fund the Beltline, I would expect that they will give it a big fat no.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Better late than never, eh? I just hate that Sonny would have to resort to a sales tax to do it. Sales taxes are so regressive & heavily penalizes the poor & least well-off the most.

There are plenty of wealthy folks here who could stand to pay their fair share in income taxes to a state that has given them so much in terms of a great & progressive environment to do business. Whatever though.

I'll take this solution, for what it's worth, I guess...
Not to throw this off topic, but believe me, I think that people, especially the wealthy, pay far more than their fair share of taxes. As my partner and I claim separately as two single males, our tax portions are substantial. Even worse, you should have to see what my parents contribute. The year that my grandfather died, my parents had to pay over $350,000 in taxes. People are taxed enough on their income.

Back to the discussion, I think that that a sales tax would be the best way to spread this out. Also, I wouldn't mind having an additional tax onto my registration. We HAVE to have funding to get the transportation system up to par though. Where it comes from, we shall see.
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:11 AM
 
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I would rather see an additional tax on gas, not sales....seems to be a disconnect there. When I buy gas I'm obviously using a transportation system of some kind. Why should my buying of a thing unassocited with transit fund roads?
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Old 01-15-2010, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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People are notorious here for many times not even voting for a tax to build/better the educational facilities here, so given the "choice", there's not a big chance they'll opt-in for a voluntary tax for transportation issues.
How can you say that Greg when almost all of the metro counties have local option taxes for education projects and transportation projects (MARTA and/or roads)? Cobb, which is badly maligned by some, has a tax for both and has for some time. Sounds to me like you're feeding the hype of some of the folks on the board.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Norcross, GA
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Might even have to throw in a couple of new MARTA subway lines while we're at it.
If this happens I may die of shock.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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I would rather see an additional tax on gas, not sales....seems to be a disconnect there. When I buy gas I'm obviously using a transportation system of some kind. Why should my buying of a thing unassocited with transit fund roads?
Because voters have the explicit say on the tax and its purpose. You don't like that kind of tax, then vote no. At least you get a direct vote.

Taxes passed by the legislature are much harder to expire or remove, and often involve deal making and back room antics. I would much rather have an earmarked tax that I know expires every 5 years and requires my vote and the votes of majority of the voters to renew. Plus, why penalize one segment of the population with the tax burden. Roads are used to truck goods and for transit buses, and to allow emergency personal to patrol and go to cals, etc...not just for individuals to drive.
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