Poverty moves fast to suburbs (Atlanta, Dawson: live in, moving, rail)

[scumbuster]

Uhm, an undesirable element is fostered by OTHER undesirable elements. Another poster above mentioned that the poor children are bolstered when moved into a higher statistics area. Uhm, yesterday, in my lovely neighborhood soon to go to crap, a poor family moved in. First thing they said was thay they would be "boycalling" (Eruh...they meant boy-COTTING) any HOA request. They then proceeded to throw some odd pieces of construction trash dead center in the lot next to their home. We went over with a pitcher of tea and some treats as a welcome and were treated with INSTANT disdain! Do NOT dare tell me that these people, can be bolstered by a damned thing! They LIKE living in a crap trap! To them, a house is just a place to sleep, eat and use a toilet. That's it. They have NO concern for anything besides, apparently, trashing their very own homes and neighborhoods. Having worked in the public system for 12 years, I left when, one day, I was told (In Philadelphia) by one WELFARE recipient, when I gave her her work sheet (list of job openings, dates for hiring) she flat out told me she could just get "free money" from us (meaning the state). I quit three days later, disgusted. Poor people are poor because they're lazy and don't WANT to improve themselves. They know they can get something...anything (they don't care what) for free so why bother earning it. They go on to have children with the same attitude...just take it. Don't earn it. My husband just did our taxes. we OWE Ga. 300 dollars. Guess what? Some lazy fool who has ten kids will gladly take MY hard earned money so they can buy a cell phone and a flat screen. But God forbid they put some money towards and EDUCATION! And dare ask them to work for a living and then we're being mean and unfair. Don't try to convince me of anything else either. I saw it for 12 years and I saw it right down the street. As the other poster stated..."let them move next to you and YOU can help them out." Give me a break!

[J2rescue]

Originally Posted by KevK

That is because Atlanta is shutting down all the projects and giving the residents Section 8 vouchers to find housing elsewhere and many of them are taking them to the suburbs. It is really becoming a problem because they are tending to concentrate in places like Clayton, south Cobb and south Gwinnett instead of being more widely dispersed throughout the region. Poor people generally do better when they are surrounded by middle class people. Their kids usually adopt middle class ways and values because that is who their friends are. The opposite is true when they live around other poor people. They get negative values reinforced on them. I am for helping the poor but we need a law that would ban more than X number of Section 8 vouchers within a given area.
Another thing as the article points out- lots of these folks are unemployed. When the economy recovers, that should become less of a problem.

Tearing down those projects has nothing to do with this situation. As reported in the article, there are now 500,000 people in the suburbs below the poverty line. They didn't all come from projects in the city. Besides that, I don't believe that someone can live in another jurisdiction and receive Atlanta Housing Authority assistance. They would be under that county or city's housing authority.

This is a national phenomenon. It has more to do with the fact that lower income people relocating to Atlanta were just as likely to land in the suburbs as everyone else. And now with the economy in the toilet, there are lot more people in the suburbs seeking assistance.

[mrdkb]

Let's not be completely irrational here. The article, which I just read is a peice of crap. The writer said THE 28 COUNTY METRO AREA". WHAT?????????? They are counting who?????? While there are some merits to the article (for example, Gwinnett, Cobb, and Dekalb each have over 700K people so you are going to have some poor), the article is agenda driven. That said, the city of Atlanta is getting better and there are more poor folks in the surrounding counties than then were years ago just due to growth. BTW - the SURROUNDING counties are just that to me - surrounding: Forsyth, Cobb, Gwinnett, Dekalb, Clayton, Cherokee. This article speaks of counties that have NOOOOO ties to metro Atlanta and are over 100 miles from it. Pathetic.

[mrdkb]

I just read the article a second time. GIVEN ME A BREAK. I quote the idiot writer: "From Butts County in the south to Dawson up north, Walton in the east to Haralson out west..." speaking of an increase in poverty. Then the moron writer calls this 28 county metro area the suburbs. WHAT THE XXXXX? The areas are RURAL!!!!!!!. The are still miles and miles of RURAL areas in Gwinnett. I still cannot get past the 28 county metro area. Crazy.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by mrdkb

I just read the article a second time. GIVEN ME A BREAK. I quote the idiot writer: "From Butts County in the south to Dawson up north, Walton in the east to Haralson out west..." speaking of an increase in poverty. Then the moron writer calls this 28 county metro area the suburbs. WHAT THE XXXXX? The areas are RURUAL!!!!!!!. The are still miles and miles of RURAL areas in Gwinnett.

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[mrdkb]

EXAMPLE - Hall county IS NOT METRO ATLANTA. Is ATHENS METRO ATLANTA?

[mrdkb]

Originally Posted by aries4118

Atlanta metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Thanks for the link. I just read it and regardless of what it says - Bartow county IS NOT metro atlanta. And if the 5million population of metro Atlanta is really made up of bunch of rural counties (most of Georgia), then what most consider metro Atlanta is actually quite smaller than we realize.

To further my point, just what population of Bartow county (for example) even go into Atlanta?

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by mrdkb

Thanks for the link. I just read it and regardless of what it says - Bartow county IS NOT metro atlanta. And if the 5million population of metro Atlanta is really made up of bunch of rural counties (most of Georgia), then what most consider metro Atlanta is actually quite smaller than we realize.

To further my point, just what population of Bartow county (for example) even go into Atlanta?

Many, many Bartow Countians work in the Cumberland/Vinings Area, Marietta, or the Town Center/Barrett Area. These areas are considered a part of the core metro area--since many Bartow Countians work in these areas, Bartow County is definitely a prime metro county.

And remember, the Atlanta city limits (the city proper) are quite small considering the size and stature of the city. In other areas of the country, for example, the Cumberland/Vinings area would be a part of the central city--and in our case, the City of Atlanta.

And more thing, the southeastern part of Bartow County is just north of Cobb, and the area has an Acworth address--many people here probably do work in the North/Northwest part of the City of Atlanta (think Midtown stretching towards Mount Paran and the Cobb County line).

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by mrdkb

Thanks for the link. I just read it and regardless of what it says - Bartow county IS NOT metro atlanta. And if the 5million population of metro Atlanta is really made up of bunch of rural counties (most of Georgia), then what most consider metro Atlanta is actually quite smaller than we realize.

To further my point, just what population of Bartow county (for example) even go into Atlanta?

Read more. Not just a Metro Atlanta thing.

File:US Combined Statistical Areas.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

File:Core Based Statistical Areas.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



United States metropolitan area - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[mrdkb]

Originally Posted by aries4118

Many, many Bartow Countians work in the Cumberland/Vinings Area, Marietta, or the Town Center/Barrett Area. These areas are considered a part of the core metro area--since many Bartow Countians work in these areas, Bartow County is definitely a prime metro county.

And remember, the Atlanta city limits (the city proper) are quite small considering the size and stature of the city. In other areas of the country, for example, the Cumberland/Vinings area would be a part of the central city--and in our case, the City of Atlanta.

And more thing, the southeastern part of Bartow County is just north of Cobb, and the area has an Acworth address--many people here probably do work in the North/Northwest part of the City of Atlanta (think Midtown stretching towards Mount Paran and the Cobb County line).

Bartow, Barrow, Dawson, etc.. ain't metro or the suburbs. This reminds me of Charlotte, which likes to add to it's size by annexing land in surrounding counties and then call it and further out "exurbs" it's MSA. What a joke. What's funny is just two-three years ago, the media began talking about the exurbs and how people were moving there. I always looked at this as quite ridiculous because these "exurbs", which are nothing more than rural towns, have nothing to do with the cities. Now if you take a place like Long Island which has towns that are 60-70 miles outside of NYC and have the mass transit via the Long Island Rail Road that go into the NYC everyday from 5am to 4am, filled with workers going to work than that's different.