02-24-2010, 10:53 AM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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So "good" = tax cheat? I'm really having trouble getting my head around this aspect of American culture. It seems y'all think it's righteous to break the law in this area.
This is one of the big differences I've noticed between the upper midwest and the south, or at least the Atlanta metro.
Lots of people here seem to think it's cool to game the system.
I don't get it.
02-24-2010, 11:40 AM
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So "good" = tax cheat? I'm really having trouble getting my head around this aspect of American culture. It seems y'all think it's righteous to break the law in this area.
Don't know about the rest of the world, but it's seems to be the American way to get away with as much as you can. Just turn on the tv and see for yourself. I don't think it used to be this way though, certainly not in my memory.
To OP: I lived for 11 years in Dallas and just completed year 14 in N. Atlanta. Pretty much all the responses here are accurate and well-stated. One thing that Dallas does seem to have that Atl doesn't is a cohesive identity among its residents... it seems almost to be embedded in its soil. Even transfers in seem to assimilate (eg wearing cowboy boots). When I first got there I was astounded to see the state flag of Texas flown at nearly every other establishment. I had lived 4 years in Illinois and didn't even know what the state flag looked like! Ditto now in GA (well I know what it looks like but I don't see it much). In Fort Worth the cow culture is very pervasive. In those days in Dallas it was the oil culture, big flashy living, Tex-Mex food (which, despite my having grown up in the Eastern hemisphere and loving all Asian food, gets my vote for best cuisine on the planet), etc.
Although this sounds hokey all these things add up to an identity, which Atlanta seems to be weak in. BTW I won't even eat Mexican food here (yes, I did try it). GA does have MUCH nicer natural environment - trees, rolling and hilly terrain, etc. Somewhat cooler summers but offset by humidity. A bit more snowfall in Dallas than Atl. One year I visited Houston and it was snowed under! Being on the Eastern side helps with travel to points east, which includes all of Europe and of course the entire Northeastern USA. The ATL airport is huge and well-connected, but I found DFW easier to use on a personal level, and better-situated for the northern 'burbs which you will probably end up in in either city.
All that said if I were to make the choice today I'd find it hard to do. The proximity of recreation to Atlanta as mentioned above would probably be the tipping point in its favor. Keep in mind though that I haven't been back to TX for 14 years, so not really aware of all its changes since then. I suspect Texas may be slightly cheaper overall in cost of living but that would only be a guess.
Good luck and take away the knowledge that in the end neither choice is 'wrong'.
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02-25-2010, 10:16 AM
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Don't know about the rest of the world, but it's seems to be the American way to get away with as much as you can. Just turn on the tv and see for yourself. I don't think it used to be this way though, certainly not in my memory.
To OP: I lived for 11 years in Dallas and just completed year 14 in N. Atlanta. Pretty much all the responses here are accurate and well-stated. One thing that Dallas does seem to have that Atl doesn't is a cohesive identity among its residents... it seems almost to be embedded in its soil. Even transfers in seem to assimilate (eg wearing cowboy boots). When I first got there I was astounded to see the state flag of Texas flown at nearly every other establishment. I had lived 4 years in Illinois and didn't even know what the state flag looked like! Ditto now in GA (well I know what it looks like but I don't see it much). In Fort Worth the cow culture is very pervasive. In those days in Dallas it was the oil culture, big flashy living, Tex-Mex food (which, despite my having grown up in the Eastern hemisphere and loving all Asian food, gets my vote for best cuisine on the planet), etc.
Although this sounds hokey all these things add up to an identity, which Atlanta seems to be weak in. BTW I won't even eat Mexican food here (yes, I did try it). GA does have MUCH nicer natural environment - trees, rolling and hilly terrain, etc. Somewhat cooler summers but offset by humidity. A bit more snowfall in Dallas than Atl. One year I visited Houston and it was snowed under! Being on the Eastern side helps with travel to points east, which includes all of Europe and of course the entire Northeastern USA. The ATL airport is huge and well-connected, but I found DFW easier to use on a personal level, and better-situated for the northern 'burbs which you will probably end up in in either city.
All that said if I were to make the choice today I'd find it hard to do. The proximity of recreation to Atlanta as mentioned above would probably be the tipping point in its favor. Keep in mind though that I haven't been back to TX for 14 years, so not really aware of all its changes since then. I suspect Texas may be slightly cheaper overall in cost of living but that would only be a guess.
Good luck and take away the knowledge that in the end neither choice is 'wrong'.
Very well said--especially in regards to Dallas's aesthetic of civic pride, which Atlanta often lacks among its different communities. I also find it strange that Dallas tends to get more snow (which has been proven to be true) although its winters are slightly warmer than Atlanta's on average.
02-25-2010, 02:24 PM
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One other very special thing about N. Atlanta -- I don't know how I missed mentioning it -- is the year-round availability of the Chattahoochee River. This is one of the underappreciated gems of the area, and something that Dallas does not have even a shadow of (unless they rehabbed the Trinity!). As part of the National Parks system, the Roberts Road preserve is also quite special and it covers part of the river.
With our kids having grown up near the 'Hooch we have numerous priceless memories of enjoying the river for canoe rides, picnics and walks. Even the time we all tipped the canoe while leaning to avoid some branches and fell into cold water (but only four feet deep)!
02-26-2010, 12:53 PM
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Dallas - Fort Worth Metroplex of course.
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02-26-2010, 02:26 PM
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just thought i'd clear up some of these MISCONCEPTIONS about dallas-fort worth before this thread goes any further
1. dallas is really not all that flat. the terrain actually varies from slightly rolling to rolling hills. and it actually gets pretty rugged around the southwest suburbs (cedar hill, duncanville)...you could also drive over into east texas towns like tyler and palestine, where you have the trees you'll find in atlanta and many of the hills as well
2. dallas is less than 5 hrs away from the ouachita mountains in arkansas. and they're just as stunning as much of the appalachians. there are also other weekend trip options: you have so many quaint, historic towns scattered throughout the rugged hill country and east texas with endless amounts of tourist sites and shops to visit. large cities within driving distance of dfw are shreveport, oklahoma city, austin, and houston. dallas also serves as a popular shopping and nightlife destination for memphisites, so those cities probably aren't that far apart. so you see, guys, dallas aint exactly in the middle of nowhere
3. dallas has every bit of an international presence among its residents as atlanta does. there's also the same political and racial diversity
...now that we've cleared that up, i believe we can move on with the thread
02-26-2010, 02:32 PM
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I don't know, I still feel like Dallas is kind of in the middle of nowhere. Atlanta has the best proximity to many different types of climates and regions than maybe any other major city in the eastern US. Drive 4-5 hours south and you're in subtropical beaches, drive about 3 hours north and you're in very temperate mountain regions. Florida is only a day's drive and you're also closer to the Northeast than you are in Dallas. There are just many more travel options from Atlanta than there are from Dallas.
02-26-2010, 03:07 PM
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I don't know, I still feel like Dallas is kind of in the middle of nowhere. Atlanta has the best proximity to many different types of climates and regions than maybe any other major city in the eastern US. Drive 4-5 hours south and you're in subtropical beaches, drive about 3 hours north and you're in very temperate mountain regions. Florida is only a day's drive and you're also closer to the Northeast than you are in Dallas. There are just many more travel options from Atlanta than there are from Dallas.
well no one's arguing that. but just because atlanta has a few more options still doesn't mean dallas sits in the middle of nowhere. it's surrounded by many unique, and culturally diverse cities and regions. its also surrounded by many different geographic regions. everything from deserts and plains to mountains and forests
02-26-2010, 05:38 PM
Location: St Simons Island, GA
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This is one of the big differences I've noticed between the upper midwest and the south, or at least the Atlanta metro.
Lots of people here seem to think it's cool to game the system.
I don't get it.
Are you actually trying to lay this behavior at the feet of Southerners? I'm sure this is a fairly universal behavior...to say otherwise is downright insulting.
02-26-2010, 07:14 PM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Are you actually trying to lay this behavior at the feet of Southerners? I'm sure this is a fairly universal behavior...to say otherwise is downright insulting.
No, but I am saying that some what I've seen here ... in the Atlanta suburbs ... is new to me as a Twin Cities suburbanite. Don't believe me? Spend some time up there. Heck, just compare general crime rates. Some of the crap I've seen down here in five short years really has me shaking my head...
Universal behavior? Maybe in your world....? I'm glad it isn't found everywhere.
Maybe Georgia and other similar places just have a history of crappy government and hating the man? Maybe the difference is the current economy (though some of the things I can think of occurred 4-5 years ago)? Who knows...
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Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)