08-22-2014, 05:35 PM
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There goes the destination....
08-22-2014, 11:34 PM
Location: Savannah, GA
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-StarBright-
Well, I can't say that I'm shocked. Was there ever even anything about the mall posted on his website? There weren't many details about the project in the first place, and a lot of the store he was trying to attract were already in the market, and the location was kinda bad. You can't say anything is definitely going to happen until it break ground, or really until its built(some projects stop construction for various reason). Projects come and projects go, but trust me, losing a mediocre outlet mall isn't the worst project to lose. Plus, he isn't the most credible developer. If he had to cancel one project to focus more of Broughton Street, thats not a good sign.
Even after ground is broken, there are no guarantees it will be completed. I still know of at least one place in my area that construction begun prior to the recession and then was abandoned. Structure incomplete.
08-23-2014, 05:16 AM
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Newsboy
Never mind. Found the brief item on the Chronicle website. In hindsight, I think it's pretty obvious this was a speculative project from the get-go that never had solid financial backing. The prospectus was COMPLETELY bogus (1.8 million trade area?) and nothing was ever posted to Ben Carter's website, right?
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Columbus1984
Or possibly the market couldn't support an outlet mal l.
I love when you have "experts" who know more than those that actually work in the field.
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WanderingImport
Even after ground is broken, there are no guarantees it will be completed. I still know of at least one place in my area that construction begun prior to the recession and then was abandoned. Structure incomplete.
Yes I'm just glad that the project hadn't started construction and then was canceled. With Costco and Cabela's and the new movie theater on the site, something will develop there. Maybe we can get the actual lifestyle center we were supposed to get instead of the outlet mall.
08-23-2014, 06:13 AM
Location: Columbus, GA and Brookhaven, GA
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PJA
I love when you have "experts" who know more than those that actually work in the field.
Actually do work in the field. Graduated with a Real Estate Finance degree from the Terry College of Business at UGA too. Worked with Ben Carter on an apartment project at his St. John's Town Center development in Jacksonville back in 2008.
08-23-2014, 06:33 AM
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08-23-2014, 06:36 AM
Location: The City in the Forest
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Columbus1984
Actually do work in the field. Graduated with a Real Estate Finance degree from the Terry College of Business at UGA too. Worked with Ben Carter on an apartment project at his St. John's Town Center development in Jacksonville back in 2008.
So you think Augusta couldn't support one? Please, if Pooler can support one, Augusta can. According to Savannah news, he pulled out because he need to focus more of his attention to attracting retailers to Broughton Street. I notice that he seems to have trouble attracting retail to nearly all of his projects.
08-23-2014, 06:39 AM
Location: The City in the Forest
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Even after ground is broken, there are no guarantees it will be completed. I still know of at least one place in my area that construction begun prior to the recession and then was abandoned. Structure incomplete.
In my post, I said that "You can't say anything is definitely going to happen until it break ground, or really until its built(some projects stop construction for various reasons)."
08-23-2014, 07:11 AM
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Actually do work in the field. Graduated with a Real Estate Finance degree from the Terry College of Business at UGA too. Worked with Ben Carter on an apartment project at his St. John's Town Center development in Jacksonville back in 2008.
Well good for you! That knowledge will help you when it comes to where to build apartment complexes and other residential type developments...this however is a retail development.
08-23-2014, 07:36 AM
Location: Savannah GA
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-StarBright-
So you think Augusta couldn't support one?
According to the Augusta Chronicle ...
NATIONAL RETAILERS don't think Augusta can support one: Carter ... had said that Augusta’s demographics and 50-mile regional trade radius made the fashion outlet project attractive, "but some of the retailers just weren't there yet. Sadly, the right anchor stores are not showing interest and it's not the right time."
AUGUSTA DEVELOPER MATT MILLS doesn't think Augusta can support one Matt Mills ... said last year that outlet retailers were reluctant to locate in metro Augusta because of the city’s small market size ...
THE GM OF AUGUSTA MALL doesn't think Augusta can support one: Andy Wilke ... agreed that market size and competing stores can deter outlet retailers from choosing a particular site. "There is quite a bit of vacant retail space in the market already, so adding another 400,000-square-feet I think would have been a particular challenge.”
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08-23-2014, 07:46 AM
Location: The City in the Forest
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According to the Augusta Chronicle ... NATIONAL RETAILERS Carter ... had said that Augusta’s demographics and 50-mile regional trade radius made the fashion outlet project attractive, but some of the retailers just weren't there yet ... AUGUSTA DEVELOPER MATT MILLS Matt Mills ... said last year that outlet retailers were reluctant to locate in metro Augusta because of the city’s small market size ... THE GM OF AUGUSTA MALL Andy Wilke ... agreed that market size and competing stores can deter outlet retailers from choosing a particular site. "There is quite a bit of vacant retail space in the market already, so adding another 400,000-square-feet I think would have been a particular challenge.”
Good to know.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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