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Old 11-04-2011, 09:37 PM
 
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Again...I simply ask...what is SPRAWL? I think UPWARDS it is totally sprawl.
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Old 11-04-2011, 09:41 PM
 
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I live in one of those "disposable suburban rings" and it doesn't bother me. I don't get this whole "sprawl" thing as if it's a disease. And pardon all of us suburbanites who don't want to/can't afford to live downtown or close to downtown. Maybe the antithesis of sprawl is affordable, centrally located housing with affordable, regular shopping options besides overrated "chic" boutiques and a Whole paycheck. Having lived in NYC most of my life, and having to deal with the asphalt jungle, blasting stereos, noisy subways, all of that...I abhor city-living and kind of welcome the vanilla, anywhere USA feel that living in a suburb has. In NY, the kind of life I live here would cost me beaucoup money.
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Old 11-04-2011, 09:50 PM
 
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I agree. It is a major problem, but worse in the sunbelt U.S. than anywhere else. There are also many cities that boomed in the same era that managed to avoid the problems of sprawl. Vancouver would be the most obvious one. The lawsuits and bailout of the awful Circle C are the historical events that enabled Austin to sprawl in the hideous way it has.
"worse in the sunbelt"....very funny! Vancouver? Again...funny. Keep them coming........we need the jokes!
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Old 11-04-2011, 09:51 PM
 
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Upwards is not sprawl. In terms of land use - an acre with a 10 -40 story residential building uses much less land, requires far fewer water, utility, transportation resources per capita and generates far greater tax revenues per capita than a SFH on an acre twenty miles from places of employment, recreation and retail. Urban people should be able to live, work, shop and play without getting in a car. Farmers should farm. The exurbs give us all the horror of urban living - traffic, congestion, stress with none of the charms: culture, civility, individuality and all the tedium of rural living: distance, boredom, isolation, with none of the charm: nature, space, serenity.

P.S. And what is wrong with Vancouver? It has very beautiful natural environs and has managed to preserve them. Austin has less beautiful natural environs, but better than any other city in Texas, except perhaps El Paso, and is in danger of entirely destroying them.
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Old 11-04-2011, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Upwards is not sprawl. In terms of land use - an acre with a 10 -40 story residential building uses much less land, requires far fewer water, utility, transportation resources per capita and generates far greater tax revenues per capita than a SFH on an acre twenty miles from places of employment, recreation and retail. Urban people should be able to live, work, shop and play without getting in a car. Farmers should farm. The exurbs give us all the horror of urban living - traffic, congestion, stress with none of the charms: culture, civility, individuality and all the tedium of rural living: distance, boredom, isolation, with none of the charm: nature, space, serenity.
In NYC, we weren't known for being civil. Didn't really get a sense of individuality either. Unless you lived in Manhattan, distance was a way of life for many. Urban living is also devoid of space and serenity. Ugh...anything but. And after having one too many morons stomping on my head and listening to sex sounds from others' bedrooms, yup, I treasure isolation!
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:19 PM
 
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Upwards is not sprawl. In terms of land use - an acre with a 10 -40 story residential building uses much less land, requires far fewer water, utility, transportation resources per capita and generates far greater tax revenues per capita than a SFH on an acre twenty miles from places of employment, recreation and retail. Urban people should be able to live, work, shop and play without getting in a car. Farmers should farm. The exurbs give us all the horror of urban living - traffic, congestion, stress with none of the charms: culture, civility, individuality and all the tedium of rural living: distance, boredom, isolation, with none of the charm: nature, space, serenity.

P.S. And what is wrong with Vancouver? It has very beautiful natural environs and has managed to preserve them. Austin has less beautiful natural environs, but better than any other city in Texas, except perhaps El Paso, and is in danger of entirely destroying them.
Honey,

Upwards IS SPRAWL....it's a lot more people concentrated in an area UPWARDS.....more POLUTION....MORE TRASH...MORE DISEASE....MORE RATS, etc. Less utilities???
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I think people can legitimately argue the merits of suburban or urban living. That's a great debate, where decent points can be made by either side. And where I live is suburban. Most of Austin is. So I'm not judging anyone, believe me.

But this thread purports to be simply asking, what is the definition of sprawl? And clearly, only the OP would classify "sprawl" as "tall buildings". At least so far. I think most people can identify which of these two pics represent sprawl:


A. Sprawl (source: city-data post //www.city-data.com/forum/17365982-post68.html)


B. Tall Buildings (source: wikimedia)
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:38 PM
 
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Um..no....as the OP, I didn't "classify" SPRAWL as "tall buildings."
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:52 PM
 
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i'm just asking is Upward density better than outward density.....are they the same result.....eventually?
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Um..no....as the OP, I didn't "classify" SPRAWL as "tall buildings."
But you wrote:

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Again...I simply ask...what is SPRAWL? I think UPWARDS it is totally sprawl.
What is "upwards" if not tall buildings? Are you talking about people living on mountains? In the clouds?
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