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Old 08-18-2012, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Give it a year, and most people will not even realize there was a time when there was grocery bags.
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:14 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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I've been using my own bags for a few years now.
But I still think biodegrable plastic is a good idea on disposables, and needs to be used more.
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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To paraphrase Jon Stewart: the plastic bag ban combines the draconian overreach of government that people love, with the probable lack of results they've come to expect.

It's not going to stop littering. Most of us have found those little plastic bags to be quite useful secondarily (to line trashcans, take litter, etc.). In fact, Bed Bath and Beyond sells a handy little dispenser to store the plastic bags that many of us have been using for years. It won't cut down our use on plastic bags (still have to line trash cans, still have to take out the litter) but it will make out lives a bit more inconvenient and a bit more expensive.

Congratulations do-gooders, mark up another entirely meaningless victory.
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Eugene, OR
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Default what's the point

The point of banning plastic bags is not to impact local economy or make businesses or jobs suffer. Neither is it to force one to buy re-usable bags.

The point is to keep plastic, non degradable, here-for-forever, out of our landfills, a demonstrated, documented problem in urban communities, including Austin. And, with easy access to domestic high grade oil gone and domestic supplies of even the poorer grades dwindling, it makes sense to minimize non-neccessary petroleum use. Keeping the myriad plastic bags off of our city roadways would be nice too. Banning plastic bags is a good start.

Anyone visiting IKEA on a weekend afternoon would agree that a "no bag" policy won't hurt business.

And if having free plastic bags is a real issue, one can always raid the plastic bag recycling bin at your local HEB and stock up for the coming drought.

I didn't read to the beginning of this thread--don't see this mentioned so forgive if I'm repeating.
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Old 08-18-2012, 08:40 AM
 
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The point of banning plastic bags is not to impact local economy or make businesses or jobs suffer. Neither is it to force one to buy re-usable bags.

The point is to keep plastic, non degradable, here-for-forever, out of our landfills, a demonstrated, documented problem in urban communities, including Austin. And, with easy access to domestic high grade oil gone and domestic supplies of even the poorer grades dwindling, it makes sense to minimize non-neccessary petroleum use. Keeping the myriad plastic bags off of our city roadways would be nice too. Banning plastic bags is a good start.

Anyone visiting IKEA on a weekend afternoon would agree that a "no bag" policy won't hurt business.
Agree that the no-bag policy won't hurt business...people still gotta eat.
Disagree that this will accomplish anything. Until someone invents an econimic alternative to plastic liners I'll just be purchasing them and also potty bags for the pets...
So all you've done is made my life a little more annoying and a little more expensive. Thanks.

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Old 08-18-2012, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Disagree that this will accomplish anything. Until someone invents an econimic alternative to plastic liners I'll just be purchasing them and also potty bags for the pets...
So all you've done is made my life a little more annoying and a little more expensive. Thanks.
Unless your dog is dropping a big enough doo that you need a full sized grocery bag every time, you can get by with smaller bags = less plastic in the landfill. Plus, you can buy biodegradable pet waste bags.
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:38 AM
 
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Unless your dog is dropping a big enough doo that you need a full sized grocery bag every time, you can get by with smaller bags = less plastic in the landfill. Plus, you can buy biodegradable pet waste bags.
The land fills are no big deal. As natural resources become more scarce, landfills will become gold mines. I think that will happen long before we run out of room for land fills.
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Old 08-18-2012, 10:14 AM
 
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Unless your dog is dropping a big enough doo that you need a full sized grocery bag every time, you can get by with smaller bags = less plastic in the landfill. Plus, you can buy biodegradable pet waste bags.
In case you didn't know, we live in Texas. Landfill space is not a problem.
You're right that I can buy pet waste bags. I can also buy trash can liners. Thank you very much for accomplishing nothing and adding two chores and expenses to my life. Sleep better?
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Old 08-18-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Yes, much better
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Old 08-18-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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80 large stores, 700 small stores. Response rate was 3%. 23 stores is not a large enough sample to draw any conclusions.
"Response rate was 3%" is good...... Mass mailers wanting to sell you something say that a 1% response is good.....when stores like wally world send out a mass mailing if 3% showed up the store couldn't hold them all....
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