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Old 11-05-2012, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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So, whether you like it or not, French Place is the name the community itself gave the neighborhood long, long ago. That trumps city planning convenience any day, in my book.
I believe the historic maps over the aspirational names that came later. And the part of the community that called themselves French Place were the folks who wished they were on French Place Street, but weren't. Ditto Cherrywood. The Cherrywood Cafe is actually at the end of Lafayette St, so why isn't it called Lafayette Cafe?

It's not a biggie to me, more just a giggle at how silly people are, thinking one name for a neighborhood is more valuable than another.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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Kind of a bizarre little rant. Won't bother to address the neither here nor there stuff about whether you call it Upper Boggy Creek or some other term since at the end of the day - how is that apropos of anything?
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Correlation does not equal causation. Just because B follows A does not mean A caused B. That is a logical fallacy. Both A and B may occur because of X or A and B may have independent causes of X and Y. There are many possibilities. Here's a helpful academic paper on this issue: xkcd: Correlation Second logical fallacy here - you present B follows A and then list a long parade of horribles that aren't related to either B or A. Honestly, are guys with Machete's coming into the neighborhood because of granny flats? What?
Kind of a bizarre response, given that I addressed a lot of specific things that changed about the neighborhood, mostly to the advantage of the people who made money flipping the area. It's a far less livable neighborhood now. Crime is definitely up. The machete thugs were real. We had many neighborhood association meetings with Austin Police Department to try to address the issues.

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Really, I swear people, allowing granny flats doesn't mean your neighborhood will be invaded by machete wielding thugs or invite people to shoot out your windows with guns.
No, not necessarily. But pretty much everything else I mentioned is quite predictable... higher density, higher traffic, higher tax assessments, higher rents, and a complete change in the look and feel of the neighborhood. It's not a small or simple change at all.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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If they are renting at a particular price, THAT is the market price. In real estate you have to compare apples to apples, if all over the garage apartments in one neighborhood is are going for a higher rent that comparable apartments in OTHER neighborhoods, then the market price in that first neighborhood is simply higher.
Sure, but you missed the point. The handful of garage apartments in the neighborhood were cheap when they were few and far between, and they were cheaper than average apartment rentals in the city because they were typically smaller and funkier and didn't have the amenities of apartment complexes.

Once the area got flipped, however, the rents did too, and they went from below-market in the citywide sense to above-market in the city-wide sense.

Sure, if all the HEBs and Randalls and WalMarts are selling Gala apples for $1.25 a pound and Whole Foods is selling the same apples for $2 a pound, then the market price AT Whole Foods is $2, sure, but the city-wide comparison price is $1.25. That's what I was talking about, the comparison to the overall rental market.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I believe the historic maps over the aspirational names that came later. And the part of the community that called themselves French Place were the folks who wished they were on French Place Street, but weren't. Ditto Cherrywood. The Cherrywood Cafe is actually at the end of Lafayette St, so why isn't it called Lafayette Cafe?

It's not a biggie to me, more just a giggle at how silly people are, thinking one name for a neighborhood is more valuable than another
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And yet, as I recall, you were the one who was making fun of people not calling it by the name that you prefer, but rather its historical name (historical, of course, being relative - the city designated it and several other neighborhoods as Upper Boggy Creek in the 1990's, I believe, as I said for planning purposes, and French Place was the traditional name for quite some time before that - I know it was an established name for it as early as the late 1960's).

So shouldn't you have been giggling at yourself, if the above statement is correct?

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Old 11-05-2012, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Well, let's just revert to Waterloo, shall we?

After all, Austin and that Waller guy were just carpetbaggers, weren't they?
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Honestly, are guys with Machete's coming into the neighborhood because of granny flats? What?

Really, I swear people, allowing granny flats doesn't mean your neighborhood will be invaded by machete wielding thugs or invite people to shoot out your windows with guns.
Maybe the machete wielding thugs moved there because of the prohibitively high rents the granny flats caused.
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Of course we could call the 2nd Street Warehouse district by its historical name, "Guy Town".
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Hey, that has a lot more flavor than 2nd Street Warehouse district! Speaking of changing names for real estate marketing purposes!
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:21 PM
 
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And yet, as I recall, you were the one who was making fun of people not calling it by the name that you prefer, but rather its historical name (historical, of course, being relative - the city designated it and several other neighborhoods as Upper Boggy Creek in the 1990's, I believe, as I said for planning purposes, and French Place was the traditional name for quite some time before that - I know it was an established name for it as early as the late 1960's).
You don't think the city just made the name up from thin air, do you? Look at old, old maps. There's an Upper Boggy Creek, and a Lower Boggy Creek, both of which relate to an actual creek, which like much of the much larger Waller Creek, is little known today, and barely hanging on. I used to love the sound of the frogs at night in Boggy Creek during springtime.

And the deal with French Place... that's properly the name of a street, not the name of an area... is that it's only about 4 1/2 blocks long, between Manor and Edgewood, and the houses on it were always larger and more expensive than the houses on either side of it... on either Breeze Terrace or on Lafayette Street. So the "aspirational" naming commenced, with those who wished to associate themselves with a more upscale street making that inference for marketing purposes in their real estate listings.

In point of fact, if one continues north from the end of French Place past Edgewater, around the goofy turn of Kem Ramble Street to 34th Street, one finds the Cherrywood Pocket Park and Cherrywood Green, which is dead center in the neighborhood long known as Cherrywood, which encompasses the streets known as French Place, Lafayette Street, and Breeze Terrace. So yes, the Cherrywood Coffeehouse, at the intersection of Lafayette and East 38 1/2 Street, is correctly named, for the neighborhood it's in. That was a trick question.

Take a look at this data sheet from City-Data for the neighborhood called Cherrywood. You'll find Cherrywood Park dead center, right under the label for Upper Boggy Creek.

//www.city-data.com/neighborhoo...Austin-TX.html

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So shouldn't you have been giggling at yourself, if the above statement is correct?
I always do. Seriously, it's not that serious. My comments were lighthearted in nature. Just having a laugh. Please take a couple for yourself.

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Old 11-05-2012, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Hey, that has a lot more flavor than 2nd Street Warehouse district! Speaking of changing names for real estate marketing purposes!
For those of you who love Austin history, including "Guy Town" and O'Henry, this novel is a must read:

A Twist at the End
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