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Old 04-17-2013, 01:33 PM
 
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People complain about the Red Line, but I've never seen the problem with it--it brings people downtown using a previously unoccupied ROW. That's a good thing.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Besides, if leaving 2 by 2 the whole way is so easy and feasible, why was the 2000 rail plan intending to remove lanes? I have it on good authority this was the plan (see, I can do it too

Okay, maybe not so reliable, but Mike Dahmus has repeatedly claimed he was involved in the process, and that the plan included removing lanes.
AUSTIN Transportation Thread - Page 140 - SkyscraperPage Forum
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The Overhead Wire: Austin Route Choice Part 3: The Guadalupe/Lamar Alignment
Let's stay consistent. You didn't say "removing lanes". You said 3 of the 4 would have to go.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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Let's stay consistent. You didn't say "removing lanes". You said 3 of the 4 would have to go.
I am being consistent. Follow those links:

"(bringing Guadalupe down to one lane - not one lane each way, but one lane TOTAL from 27th to 30th)"
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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I told you, I tried to google it and nothing's coming up. I'm not claiming you made it up, but how can we discuss a study I can't even read (unless you provide a link).
If you want to see the actual studies you may have to do more than type something into Google. Just saying. I never claimed to have them myself. I was very clear that I was quoting someone else who I consider to be "a very knowledgeable source", and who I do not believe just pulled those three studies out of their ass. But I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise, which I'm pretty sure would be a waste off time.

The important point here is that there have been multiple studies done on that corridor that, apparently, refute your statement that 3 off 4 lanes would need to be removed. That's why I posted what I consider to be good evidence that the studies have been done. I was never expecting to go over them with you point by point. If you want to see them before you will be convinced that they A exist, and B refute your statement, well then that's on you.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:19 PM
 
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I was very clear that I was quoting someone else who I consider to be "a very knowledgeable source"
And I asked you to link/name them.


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That's why I posted what I consider to be good evidence that the studies have been done.
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Secondhand, anonymous hearsay isn't evidence.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:24 PM
 
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And I asked you to link/name them.



Secondhand, anonymous hearsay isn't evidence.
If this individual wanted to get into an anonymous internet pissing match they'd be here. You and I are the one's who enjoy that kind of thing.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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I am being consistent. Follow those links:

"(bringing Guadalupe down to one lane - not one lane each way, but one lane TOTAL from 27th to 30th)"
His hand drawn map shows a station being placed smack dab in the middle of that 27th the 29th stretch, with northbound traffic being diverted to Hemphill. Surely you can see other possibilities there. I've seen other options mentioned that are currently in place in other cities. One in particular has one dedicated lane and one shared. "Down to one lane" is not all there is.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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I've seen other options mentioned that are currently in place in other cities. One in particular has one dedicated lane and one shared. "Down to one lane" is not all there is.
What works in other cities won't necessarily work in Austin. I can see how that would work if it never backs up both directions (north-south) but I don't think that applies to Guadalupe.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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The important point here is that there have been multiple studies done on that corridor that, apparently, refute your statement that 3 off 4 lanes would need to be removed.
None of which seem to be online (or even mention of them having been done). And with no one even willing to go on record attesting to their contents or existence.

While I have linked to an "expert" (at least referred to as such by the Statesman) who does go on record claiming that removing 3 of the lanes was necessary.
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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I've never understood why people obsessing over that section never address the real answer--imminent domain of the Taco Shack and service station in the north and a portion of Dirty's, Whataburger, and the building with Magic Wok on the south.
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