What will the effect of 10-1 be? (Austin, Commerce: rent, attorney)

[EzPeterson]

Originally Posted by ImOnFiya

Where did I say minorities HAD to be represented by other minorities? :thinking:

Hmm..I didn't. But, you assumed I did.

As you say,"To turn around and call them a liar, since they don't fit your definition of what a minority must say, do and act like, is dismissive at best and categorically dumb at worst."

Mon frere, could you have been talking about yourself?

No, I never assumed you said anything - nor did I ever call you a liar. As for the second part of your statement - like every single debate you've ever entered to on this forum, you have simply devolved.

But thanks for the video clips and color-coordinated text. Great "backing" to your points... wait - what was your point again?

[TheCardinal]

Keep Austin weird, man.

[ImOnFiya]

Originally Posted by EzPeterson

No, I never assumed you said anything - nor did I ever call you a liar. As for the second part of your statement - like every single debate you've ever entered to on this forum, you have simply devolved.

But thanks for the video clips and color-coordinated text. Great "backing" to your points... wait - what was your point again?

You answer made no sense. But I understand..when an interesting discussion comes up, I've often seen some people type before they read. It seems to happen alot on City-Data!
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Here is my argument reposted for clarity:

Now back to 10-1, as Austinites we come from many different backgrounds. But if there is an election in a city of 825,000+ people and the result is all candidates come from a similar background, you're losing different viewpoints which could contribute to policy discussion which would be a loss for the entire city.

What people don't realize is that the upcoming council district commission is going to be trench political warfare between Democrats, Republicans, and Reform constituencies trying to play for all the marbles on City Council. Democrats seem resigned give Republicans their constituent-leaning areas, but Republicans seem prime to fight every area throughout the city where democrats have huge advantages. And democratic voters (especially on the commission) need to be aware.

[mesmer]

Originally Posted by ImOnFiya

Where did I say minorities HAD to be represented by other minorities?

Hmm..I didn't. But, you assumed I did.

As you say,"To turn around and call them a liar, since they don't fit your definition of what a minority must say, do and act like, is dismissive at best and categorically dumb at worst."

Mon frere, could you have been talking about yourself? Sacre bleu!

I read your response the same way EZPeterson did - That you questioned Austin97's minority status because he/she questioned your underlying thesis. I read your responses three times just to make sure I wasn't missing something. I think you owe Austin97 an apology.

[ImOnFiya]

Originally Posted by mesmer

I read your response the same way EZPeterson did - That you questioned Austin97's minority status because he/she questioned your underlying thesis. I read your responses three times just to make sure I wasn't missing something. I think you owe Austin97 an apology.

Really?

For the record, ExPetersen later denied that he made that reference to me.

Originally Posted by EzPeterson

No, I never assumed you said anything - nor did I ever call you a liar.

Where is the quote that I said what EzPetersen originally asserted I said? I never said minorities should be represented by minorities. To be clear, what I was referrring to is minority representation, period.

For clarity, the real question should be: is the claim of "Minorities should be represented by minorities" asserted by EzPetersen (and affirmed by you Mesmer) the same as "Minority representation" (what I said)?

Obviously not. Unless you assume it is..
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I am trying to move the convo away from trivialities, and towards the OP's original premise about the result of 10-1. Anybody want to help?

[riaelise]

segregation - it's wrong, but it exists. Not just Blacks and Hispanics though. Throughout history, whoever was the majority group (White immigrants did the same thing) - tended to vote for as a representative someone of their own ethnicity (i.e. Irish voted for the Irish candidate, Italians tended to vote for the Italian, etc.) The logic is that someone who "looks just like you" will do a better job of representing you than someone who isn't of that ethnicity. It is flawed, because I've also seen or read about a number of corrupt people who are "just like us" preying on their constituents and then falling back on the comfort of knowing that they have the vote. Personally, it is more about ideology for me and goals and how they will really impact my life.

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by ImOnFiya

Where did I say minorities HAD to be represented by other minorities?

"The real losers may be hispanics and African-Americans (who through the Gentleman's agreement) had at least 1 representative at the council dais.
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You certainly seem to be stating that minorities "lose" if they're not represented by minorities.

[ImOnFiya]

Originally Posted by Novacek

"The real losers may be hispanics and African-Americans (who through the Gentleman's agreement) had at least 1 representative at the council dais.
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You certainly seem to be stating that minorities "lose" if they're not represented by minorities.

In terms of overall representation, numbers on the council. Yes, that's obvious. The consquences of going from 2 minority voices to none would have consequences. Never did I say "minorities HAD to be represented by other minorities."

That is a completely different statement which would need another argument to support (and based on the responses so far on what I didn't even say) an assertion that would merit its own thread. Not this one.

[EzPeterson]

Originally Posted by Novacek

"The real losers may be hispanics and African-Americans (who through the Gentleman's agreement) had at least 1 representative at the council dais.
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You certainly seem to be stating that minorities "lose" if they're not represented by minorities.

Beat me to it - this right here. Like I said, I never assumed you said minorities had to be represented by minorities. I paraphrased Austin97's comment as "minorities don't HAVE to be represented by minorities" - then chastised you (ImOnFiya) for calling him a "liar" (which you never directly did, but it sure seemed that way to me.)

[ImOnFiya]

Originally Posted by EzPeterson

Beat me to it - this right here. Like I said, I never assumed you said minorities had to be represented by minorities. I paraphrased Austin97's comment as "minorities don't HAVE to be represented by minorities" - then chastised you (ImOnFiya) for calling him a "liar" (which you never directly did, but it sure seemed that way to me.)

So, is this all cleared up? I feel the OP's thread has been pulled off course..the OP deserves his/her discussion.