04-17-2014, 02:07 PM
Location: Austin/Houston
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Austin,
Give it up. It's too late. You've been "Houstonized"... Dallasized. The whole Keep Austin wierd thing is over for you. Just quit fighting it. You're in Texas. Home of the sprawly overgrown cities.
Deal with it.
04-17-2014, 03:49 PM
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by
scm53
A train from Highland Mall is a solution to what?
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gpurcell
Train Envy, scm. It's a solution to Train Envy.
What does doing nothing solve? Considering that rail plans are practically still in the embryonic stage, I'd say a train from Highland Mall to Downtown, which serves one of the densest corridors in Central Texas, isn't a bad place to start, no? You can't expect a final draft or even a solid thesis when you don't even give the writer any damn time, no? The way you react to any proposal, it's almost as if you're angry that the city isn't paying for a personal helicopter to fly you and your family over the traffic.
04-17-2014, 05:59 PM
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"Highland Mall to Downtown, which serves one of the densest corridors in Central Texas"
04-17-2014, 06:04 PM
Location: The People's Republic of Austin
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Westerner92
What does doing nothing solve?
#1. Doing nothing saves $1,500,000,000. Besides, no one ever said do "nothing". That is a false dichotomy you created, for who knows what reason.
#2. Highland to downtown is already served by the Red Line. Why duplicative service?
#3. "One of the densest" corridors is the unlimate in nebulous terms. Why not
THE densest? So yes - it
IS a bad place to start.
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04-18-2014, 12:26 AM
Location: Denver
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#1. Doing nothing saves $1,500,000,000. Besides, no one ever said do "nothing". That is a false dichotomy you created, for who knows what reason.THE densest? So yes - it IS a bad place to start.
#1. Propose a solution that doesn't involve rapid public transit. Just propose something. After all, that's all that rail is in Austin right now, a proposal. Contribute something beyond nay-saying. I'm not making the false dichotomy here; I'm interpreting your posts. I don't think rail is the only solution. Also, can you cite the $1.5 billion pricetag? I'm not doubting, I'd just like to see.
#2. Let's just put aside the fact that there's never been a serious proposal to put a line from Downtown to Highland. (I'm in civil engineering and talk to transportation engineers on a regular basis. Here's a map.
http://i.imgur.com/fGmPbeZ.png ) It would connect what will be a very large community college campus, Hyde Park, Hancock, UT, the new medical school, and downtown. There is already enough to support that line with what I've listed, but considering density builds up around stops, trains have a known habit of creating their own demand.
#3. I say "one" of the densest because it covers my ass better than saying "densest". If I'm gathering correctly (I might not be), it sounds like you're panties are in a wad because you think the first line should go down Guadalupe and down South Lamar.
04-18-2014, 05:24 AM
Location: The People's Republic of Austin
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Westerner92
I'm not making the false dichotomy here; I'm interpreting your posts. I don't think rail is the only solution. Also, can you cite the $1.5 billion pricetag? I'm not doubting, I'd just like to see.
Wrong guy. Never said do nothing. And I'm not doing your research for you. Gather some facts to inform your copious opinions.
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Westerner92
#2. Let's just put aside the fact that there's never been a serious proposal to put a line from Downtown to Highland.
A rail line exists now from downtown to Highland. More uninformed opinion.
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Westerner92
It would connect what will be a very large community college campus , Hyde Park, Hancock, UT , the new medical school , and downtown. There is already enough to support that line with what I've listed, but considering density builds up around stops, trains have a known habit of creating their own demand.
1. Everything in bold is non-taxed. Why should the taxpayers of Austin reach into their pockets for amenities for untaxed property - which will never have taxable TOD?
2. If you think the HPNA will ever allow "density (to) builds up around stops", you are sadly mistaken.
3. "There is already enough to support that line". If there is, why isn't the current bus line even in the top three for daily boardings - and barely in the top six?
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Originally Posted by
Westerner92
If I'm gathering correctly (I might not be), it sounds like you're panties are in a wad ...
If you want a serious answer, ask a serious question.
Have a nice Easter weekend.
04-18-2014, 07:21 AM
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Also, can you cite the $1.5 billion pricetag? I'm not doubting, I'd just like to see.
No, he can't. He tried that earlier in this thread, and I called him out on it. He forgot about the federal match, for one thing.
04-18-2014, 07:33 AM
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1. Everything in bold is non-taxed. Why should the taxpayers of Austin reach into their pockets for amenities for untaxed property - which will never have taxable TOD?
I thought the idea was to improve (or at least reduce the rate of increase) traffic. Who gives a crap if its to untaxed property? What's your plan, intentionally try to avoid serving _all_ untaxed property (like all of UT, the capital, any state office building, etc.), and still have a successful line?
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scm53
2. If you think the HPNA will ever allow "density (to) builds up around stops", you are sadly mistaken.
And you think sending it up G/L will be any better? The proposed routing only has a short segment through Hyde Park, most of it actually runs through Hancock and North Loop.
ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/npzd/Austi...status_tab.pdf
04-18-2014, 07:46 AM
Location: Denver
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No, he can't. He tried that earlier in this thread, and I called him out on it. He forgot about the federal match, for one thing.
Yeah, that last post was honestly one of the most pathetic rebuttals I've ever seen. I point out how he talks about how a fake urban rail route with a made up pricetag for pages, then all the sudden he's talking about the commuter train? And since when is public transit not designed to carry people to/from important nodes? I wasn't aware the only purpose of public transit was to create TOD. This really is too funny.
04-18-2014, 08:23 AM
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he talks about how a fake urban rail route
I admit I'm a little confused as to what you mean by this. The current proposal _is_ for rail from downtown through campus/hancock and to Highland (and also from downtown to down riverside). Final details for this aren't set, including the final price (but certainly won't be 1.5 billion in local money).
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People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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