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Old 08-25-2014, 10:22 AM
 
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Categorizing the Mopac Express lane project as "Largely repainting" and "basically just turning the shoulder into another lane" is very misleading.

I didn't "categorize the Mopac Express lane project as "Largely repainting" ".

I said "large sections of that are literally just repainting".

Can you seriously not tell the difference between claiming 22 miles of a project are repainting and accurately stating that multiple miles are repainting?

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Old 08-25-2014, 12:02 PM
 
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I didn't "categorize the Mopac Express lane project as "Largely repainting"
You did exactly that. Misleading by omission.

Accurately describing the Mopac Express Lane project is not possible without including the additional pavement (including bridge expansion), the new entrance/exit ramps, the construction of sound walls, the tolling infrastructure, and the physical lane separation. In other words, mentioning the things which comprise the vast majority of the project spending.

Instead, you only mentioned several miles of repainting and "basically just turning the shoulder into another lane". Even after I pointed out that there is obviously much more going on, you chose not to acknowledge that. You do understand people see right through this, correct?
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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More like rideable drones, like a hoverbike, or small car.
Is it a plane? No, it's a hoverbike



I guess we can agree to disagree. Like I said, history is replete with naysayers and their facts and data being proven wrong by the determination of stupid dreamers who didn't know any better. And it's replete with the opposite, scientific thinkers saying "I just don't understand" when something that should have worked, or been successful, doesn't and isn't.

Traffic is choked in Austin, getting worse exponentially, and can't be fixed by an expensive rail system. Why not imagine something different? Driverless cars are a reality, not a far fetched idea. Uber is already here, so is the emerging concept of shared cars. Why wouldn't those three things naturally converge?

Steve
For what it's worth, I've had the same thought. Driverless pod cars that could hook together like train cars. Electric battery technology is advancing as well. I guess we'll see what happens. This is probably not one of those things worth arguing on the internet about
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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You did exactly that. Misleading by omission.

Accurately describing the Mopac Express Lane project is not possible without including the additional pavement (including bridge expansion), the new entrance/exit ramps, the construction of sound walls, the tolling infrastructure, and the physical lane separation. In other words, mentioning the things which comprise the vast majority of the project spending.

Instead, you only mentioned several miles of repainting and "basically just turning the shoulder into another lane". Even after I pointed out that there is obviously much more going on, you chose not to acknowledge that. You do understand people see right through this, correct?
The words "Largely repainting" didn't even appear in my post.


Are you claiming that if significant sections (approximately 30%) _weren't_ simply reallocating space within the existing RoW (in other words, if significant eminent domain had occurred), that the price wouldn't be higher? That all the extra land would be free?

In any highway project where such reallocation _isn't_ an option (say, I don't know, like I35 which was what was being discussed), the per mile price would be expected to be _even higher_ . All the things you called out ("the new entrance/exit ramps, the construction of sound walls, the tolling infrastructure, and the physical lane separation.") are still needed. AND more land. AND more pavement expansion.
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:51 PM
 
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Are you claiming that if significant sections (approximately 30%) _weren't_ simply reallocating space within the existing RoW (in other words, if significant eminent domain had occurred), that the price wouldn't be higher? That all the extra land would be free?

In any highway project where such reallocation _isn't_ an option (say, I don't know, like I35 which was what was being discussed), the per mile price would be expected to be _even higher_ . All the things you called out ("the new entrance/exit ramps, the construction of sound walls, the tolling infrastructure, and the physical lane separation.") are still needed. AND more land. AND more pavement expansion.
I'm claiming that there is MUCH more to the Mopac Express lane project than lane repainting and re-purposing a shoulder. That is all I have claimed. Do you not agree? Just give a straight answer on that, not other questions or responses to claims which I have never made.
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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I'm claiming that there is MUCH more to the Mopac Express lane project than lane repainting and re-purposing a shoulder. That is all I have claimed. Do you not agree?

Of course there is. I _never_ said there wasn't. My statement only applied to _some_ segments of the project (the approximately 7 miles out of 22 where they _are_ "repainting and re-purposing a shoulder").
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:12 PM
 
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Thank you. Then all you needed to do when I posted this:

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Ah yes, everyone who travels Mopac daily is familiar with all that "just repainting" they are doing.
was say

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Of course there is [much more to the Mopac express lanes project than repainting]. I _never_ said there wasn't. My statement only applied to _some_ segments of the project (the approximately 7 miles out of 22 where they _are_ "repainting and re-purposing a shoulder").
Heck, maybe the moderators can trim our comments in between so future readers can more easily get the gist.
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:21 PM
 
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Thank you. Then all you needed to do when I posted this:



was say



Heck, maybe the moderators can trim our comments in between so future readers can more easily get the gist.
Isn't that what I said?

"Yes, there are areas that are being expanded, but for several miles, they are adding no extra pavement"
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Old 01-06-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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So is their a ceiling to what uber and lyft can charge based on demand? I have heard of 10 times the base rate in Austin at certain times.

Good thing about a conventional taxi is you know the rate before hand.
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Old 01-06-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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So is their a ceiling to what uber and lyft can charge based on demand? I have heard of 10 times the base rate in Austin at certain times.

Good thing about a conventional taxi is you know the rate before hand.
I thought with uber and lyft they quoted you a rate when you requested a car. I have no idea if that is the case or not.
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