Idea for Austin's newest lake - good or bad? (Onion Creek: park, metro)

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by sojourner77

Who said it would cost half a Billion dollars?

Who said it would flood out people?

You want to build a flood control dam upstream. To have even a fraction of the flood control capabilities of the highland lakes dams, that would mean flooding out a large chunk of Hays County. The topography just _doesnt'_ support it. It's too shallow.

Look, the US Army Corps of Engineers (you know, the ones who build and operate dams) are also doing buyouts for Onion Creek. If another dam was at all feasible, and at all cheaper than hundreds of million of dollars in buyouts, don't you think they'd be doing that instead?

That's why I know an effective upstream dam would be many hundreds of millions. Because they've _already_ studied it and already rejected it.

[sojourner77]

Originally Posted by Novacek

That's why I know an effective upstream dam would be many hundreds of millions. Because they've _already_ studied it and already rejected it.

Source?

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by sojourner77

Source?

Onion Creek | Watershed Protection | AustinTexas.gov - The Official Website of the City of Austin

"Buyouts were recommended after a study by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers revealed that other solutions would not be sufficient to protect the area from major floods. "


http://www.austintexas.gov/edims/document.cfm?id=110634

"The study included economic
evaluation of the flood hazard protection benefits and project implementation costs associated with project
alternatives. Both structural and non-structural (floodplain buyout) flood control solutions were evaluated in the
Feasibility Study. "

[sojourner77]

Originally Posted by Novacek

Onion Creek | Watershed Protection | AustinTexas.gov - The Official Website of the City of Austin

"Buyouts were recommended after a study by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers revealed that other solutions would not be sufficient to protect the area from major floods. "

^^^ This was not said in the document you provided. The closest statement to it I have copied below:

2. Williamson Creek Flood Hazard Mitigation and Ecosystem Restoration
The Corps completed the Interim Feasibility Study but was not able to recommend a solution in the
Williamson Creek watershed due to the high cost of land associated with ecosystem restoration. The
City is evaluating the Corps proposal for further re-evaluation

Originally Posted by Novacek

"The study included economic
evaluation of the flood hazard protection benefits and project implementation costs associated with project
alternatives. Both structural and non-structural (floodplain buyout) flood control solutions were evaluated in the
Feasibility Study. "

^^ and this quote doesn't say a dam was struck down, either.

Listen, It's Monday morning, and I don't have time for wild goose chase, or have time to correct your research for you, either.

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by sojourner77

^^^ let me correct his for you:

2. Williamson Creek Flood Hazard Mitigation and Ecosystem Restoration
The Corps completed the Interim Feasibility Study but was not able to recommend a solution in the
Williamson Creek watershed due to the high cost of land associated with ecosystem restoration. The
City is evaluating the Corps proposal for further re-evaluation

WTF does the Williamson creek study recommendations have to do with the Onion Creek study recommendations?

[sojourner77]

Originally Posted by Novacek

WTF does the Williamson creek study recommendations have to do with the Onion Creek study recommendations?

It was the butchered quote from the document YOU cited!!!!

Stop wasting my time. You lied and got busted in front of everyone. Well done.

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by sojourner77

Listen, It's Monday morning, and I don't have time for wild goose chase, or have time to correct your research for you, either.

Tuesday, my friend.

And since you're the one calling for hundreds of millions of dollars in spending, it's incumbent on you to do the research (since every single claim you've tried to make in your multiple threads has been disproved).

1. The usefulness of Onion Creek as a reservoir.
2. That flooding the parkland wouldn't affect the floodplain.
3. That there's somehow $100M of "topsoil" available.
4. That an upstream dam is feasible.

[Novacek]

Originally Posted by sojourner77

It was the quote from the document YOU cited!!!!

A document that covered two different studies (Williamson and Onion).

But since we're only talking about Onion Creek, that second section means exactly bupkis.

[sojourner77]

Originally Posted by Novacek

Tuesday, my friend.

And since you're the one calling for hundreds of millions of dollars in spending, it's incumbent on you to do the research (since every single claim you've tried to make in your multiple threads has been disproved).

1. The usefulness of Onion Creek as a reservoir.
2. That flooding the parkland wouldn't affect the floodplain.
3. That there's somehow $100M of "topsoil" available.
4. That an upstream dam is feasible.

You been busted lying, and I'm done with this thread, and your opinions.

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