attorney general sues austin over city hall gun ban (West: high crime, hotel)

[DashRiprock]

Originally Posted by Westerner92

Please tell me where you got this crystal ball that tells you all CHL carriers will always abide by the law. As I see it, feeling the need to carry a concealed weapon on you at all times means that you don't believe in trust being a two-way street, which sounds quite paranoid to me. What could you possibly need one for other than to assuage your fragile sense of security?

According to the Texas DPS, there were nearly 44,000 criminal convictions in 2015, of which 108 were attributable to LTC holders.

It's safe to say they're a pretty darned good bunch.

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CH...Report2015.pdf

[Westerner92]

Originally Posted by DashRiprock

According to the Texas DPS, there were nearly 44,000 criminal convictions in 2015, of which 108 were attributable to LTC holders.

It's safe to say they're a pretty darned good bunch.

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CH...Report2015.pdf

I just don't see why handguns have any place in a peaceful society. All they do is add a layer of distrust that doesn't need to exist. What exactly are you afraid of?

[10scoachrick]

Originally Posted by Westerner92

I just don't see why handguns have any place in a peaceful society. All they do is add a layer of distrust that doesn't need to exist. What exactly are you afraid of?

Your fantastic 'peaceful society' includes my having a gun pointed at me from 6 feet away. It was at that time I decided to legally pursue my right to be armed...by taking the instruction, training and testing required to obtain a license. My layer of distrust was well-earned, IMO.

[10scoachrick]

Originally Posted by pop251808

Looks like another person in Austin got unlucky last night: Downtown Austin shooting: Police name 'person of interest' | www.mystatesman.com

Of course, no responsible gun owner did this (so far as we know) but that still leaves a LOT of irresponsible gun owners out there; maybe more of them than of the former. People who insist on their right to carry a gun for no real purpose need to realize that lots of others will be doing it too, and the advocates "own" part of that problem.

Pretty sure the perp in this case cares not one whit about the legality of carrying a firearm.

[pop251808]

Originally Posted by 10scoachrick

Your fantastic 'peaceful society' includes my having a gun pointed at me from 6 feet away. It was at that time I decided to legally pursue my right to be armed...by taking the instruction, training and testing required to obtain a license. My layer of distrust was well-earned, IMO.

When someone has "the drop" on you from six feet away, how is carrying a gun going to help you (Do anything but get shot)?

The real issue is, though, that your "right" to buy a gun (or, more likely, multiple guns) and carry it around provides a steady supply of guns to future law breakers as well as your fellow licensed gun carriers. And that surfeit of guns infringes on my right to live in a peaceful society.

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by Westerner92

Please tell me where you got this crystal ball that tells you all CHL carriers will always abide by the law. As I see it, feeling the need to carry a concealed weapon on you at all times means that you don't believe in trust being a two-way street, which sounds quite paranoid to me. What could you possibly need one for other than to assuage your fragile sense of security?

I carry a gun to be prepared just like I carry a hanky, have smoke detectors in my house, insurance, use sunscreen, take an asprin a day, etc.

So count me in with all those hundreds of millions of terribly paranoid American people.

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by pop251808

When someone has "the drop" on you from six feet away, how is carrying a gun going to help you (Do anything but get shot)?

The real issue is, though, that your "right" to buy a gun (or, more likely, multiple guns) and carry it around provides a steady supply of guns to future law breakers as well as your fellow licensed gun carriers. And that surfeit of guns infringes on my right to live in a peaceful society.

Sorry, but you are living in a fantasy world, trying to blame a legal, inanimate tool.

None of the crazy predictions made by you naysayers came true after the CHL law was signed by Bush, and I have yet to see anyone open carrying in Central Texas since that law went into effect.

Guns aren't ever going away, no matter how much you wish it so.

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by 10scoachrick

Pretty sure the perp in this case cares not one whit about the legality of carrying a firearm.

Not true. Put up a No Guns sign and all will be well.

[Westerner92]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

I carry a gun to be prepared just like I carry a hanky, have smoke detectors in my house, insurance, use sunscreen, take an asprin a day, etc.

So count me in with all those hundreds of millions of terribly paranoid American people.

Prepared for what? Be specific.

[Westerner92]

Originally Posted by 10scoachrick

Your fantastic 'peaceful society' includes my having a gun pointed at me from 6 feet away. It was at that time I decided to legally pursue my right to be armed...by taking the instruction, training and testing required to obtain a license. My layer of distrust was well-earned, IMO.

Just curious, if you had had a gun on you at that time, would it have helped anything? Something tells me that a mugger who's desperate enough to do that over the cash in your pocket isn't going to wait for you to pull out your gun. If anything, it raises the likelihood of you getting shot. I don't live a fantasy world, just a pragmatic one. Angry, scared people who need the option to kill someone at anytime (because a sentence written with inconsistent commas 200 years ago is open to interpretation) are the reason for the proliferation of guns among both responsible and irresponsible owners.