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Old 08-09-2019, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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Liberal politics (not affordability) lead to the homeless crisis. Sick and tired seeign these "man camps" of 30 years old white dudes all over Austin. No excuse for that BS.

The fact that we have an 3% Unemployment rate is the VERY REASON why he have seen an explosion of homeless. They know that everyone ELSE has a job and money, and they plan on taking from them.

If unemployment shot up to 10% and people couldn't afford to hand money to vagrants, then the vagrants would leave. Houses could lose half their value in Austin, and it wouldn't matter to them, because they were never intending to buy or rent one anyways.

Austin has been invaded by parasites, and the Austin Cty Council invited them in.
For sure. If we were meaner to people, they'd definitely sort out their mental health and addiction issues.
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Old 08-11-2019, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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If these were your children, you wouldn't coddle them like this, you'd whoop their a**es into shape, and hold them accountable. You wouldnt let them treat our public spaces like a 12 year old treats their bedroom.

When kids refuse to do chores, or take responsibilty, you wouldnt pat them on the head, give them free stuff, and let them trash your house. If the homeless want to act like children, them society needs to treat them like children.
Now imagine a kid who grew up in an abusive and/or dysfunctional household who was never taught any healthy habits at all. Maybe imagine a kid who was sent overseas where they had to constantly worry for years if they and their best friends would be ambushed and killed in a guerrilla attack. Maybe imagine a kid whose entire support system disowned them for being LGBT.

Then imagine being told that any issues you have because of any combination of those traumatic events was a result of mental weakness, but people just as screwed up as you offered substances that could temporarily make you feel the fulfillment functional members of society have. Their brains have been so hard wired into fight-or-flight mode that delayed gratification and planning are distant, if not incomprehensible concepts to them.

These aren’t kids. Having cops harass them and throw them into a jail with other dysfunctional members of society won’t snap them out of their instincts or prevent the next generation from falling into the same traps. Neither do tent cities, soup kitchens, or giving them money.

Empathy isn’t the same as enabling.

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Old 08-11-2019, 02:31 PM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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Empathy isn’t the same as enabling.
The things you so eloquently speak of account for a very small percentage of the homeless. Most don't want the hassles and responsibilities of holding down a job, paying rent, etc. - and thanks to the largesse and policies of many large American cities, they get to live as they wish - on the streets where they can destroy the property values and quality of life of the very people expected to pay for their laziness.

If someone's truly in need, I'm the first to say "Let's HELP them!". That doesn't mean doing everything for them - that means guiding and assisting, giving them the skills necessary to move forward, and to become a contributing member of society. If they turn their backs on the help, then that's on them - but they should NOT be allowed to live on the streets and interfere with the lives of others.

If Austin - and other cities - doesn't get a handle on this pretty dang quickly, they're going to see an exodus from the cities, and it'll turn into the kind of hellholes to be found in some of the northern areas where non-productive people are supported by tax dollars.
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Old 08-11-2019, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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The things you so eloquently speak of account for a very small percentage of the homeless.
Sources? Every single homeless person I’ve spoken to fits one of those categories. If homelessness were truly as enjoyable as conservatives make it out to be, there’d be a lot more homeless people. We get that they’re all lazy terrible people, but what exactly do you propose beyond chasing them out of town or throwing them in prison?

We aren’t functioning members of society out of the goodness of our hearts or some inherent superiority. We were taught proper habits and emotional coping skills and given the stability needed to not fall into the trap of being poor and addicted at the same time. Homelessness and traditional success are both positive feedback loops.

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Old 08-11-2019, 04:04 PM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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My father and I both hired homeless for many years. About 1 in 15 actually showed up for the job (even when we offered to pick them up), and of those that DID show, 15 or 20 actually continued to show. Those that did, we were able to find good jobs for with other business owners we knew (we we usually just looking for "grunt work" folks for a few days on various jobs where skill sets weren't required, but it gave us a chance to see what they were willing/capable of doing). Several of them since retired after nice careers, some took off after a year or so, still others are still working other jobs - and one has become a good friend, and continues what we started. So, perhaps you want to put that pitchfork down a tad, and realize that there are others out there that WILL give folks a chance, but who are also realistic enough to know both human nature AND reality.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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My father and I both hired homeless for many years. About 1 in 15 actually showed up for the job (even when we offered to pick them up), and of those that DID show, 15 or 20 actually continued to show. Those that did, we were able to find good jobs for with other business owners we knew (we we usually just looking for "grunt work" folks for a few days on various jobs where skill sets weren't required, but it gave us a chance to see what they were willing/capable of doing). Several of them since retired after nice careers, some took off after a year or so, still others are still working other jobs - and one has become a good friend, and continues what we started. So, perhaps you want to put that pitchfork down a tad, and realize that there are others out there that WILL give folks a chance, but who are also realistic enough to know both human nature AND reality.
What pitchfork did I have out exactly? I just know if I were homeless with an untreated mental illness, food, a place to sleep for the night, and getting the next dopamine rush would take precedent over doing grunt work for a couple weeks to save up for a security deposit. Getting a job isn’t the hard part. Showing up to work when you have no home, no alarm, and no transportation is honestly quite the feat, especially if they’ve never been taught how to function in mainstream city society and/or schizophrenic and/or have been hooked on something since their early 20s.

Again, we know that you think 14 out of those 15 are lazy, but what should Austin do about it? Chase them out of town? Imprison them?

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Old 08-11-2019, 08:12 PM
 
Location: New Braunfels, TX
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Again, we know that you think 14 out of those 15 are lazy, but what should Austin do about it? Chase them out of town? Imprison them?
By all means - keep them there. And as your taxes keep going up, and your quality of life goes down.....just puff that chest out in self-righteousness and point out all the folks you're supporting with your tax dollars - many of whom are making more than you are.....tax free.
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Old 08-12-2019, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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By all means - keep them there. And as your taxes keep going up, and your quality of life goes down.....just puff that chest out in self-righteousness and point out all the folks you're supporting with your tax dollars - many of whom are making more than you are.....tax free.
Nice strawman and dodge. No solutions, just whining and judging.
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