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Old 07-16-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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Saw this analysis posted on another forum:


"It appears tax-paying non-user Leanderites think it might be a very poor cost effective service:


According to the article, they saw an average of 472 weekday morning riders. Double that to 944 to cover the round trip back home and multiply it by 260 workdays a year, and that is 245,440 riders per year. Divide the $5,133,277 per year that Leander pays to participate by that total ridership number and every single one of those rides is being subsidized by Leander citizens by $20.91. So if you are a Leanderite and commute to and from Austin M-F all year, you are receiving an annual subsidy of $10,873 from your fellow Leanderites."

https://communityimpact.com/austin/leander-cedar-park/editors-pick/2019/07/15/leander-city-council-to-consider-withdrawing-from-capital-metro/
does cap metro have bus service in leander? If so some of the cost would be amortized over bus riders too right?
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Old 07-16-2019, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Leander has the 985 bus which runs later than the train and most other bus lines. When I have to work late, I have to take a Uber. Stop yer complaining Leander, the whole reason why many people move out there is because of the train service. Other suburbs don't have train service on the horizon, even if people wanted it. If the train wasn't there M-F, you'd be driving over an hour.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Honestly, although I am not in that area or use the train, it sure seems like it has demonstrated that it is used and might be successful if expanded. Somehow. No idea on how to do that.
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Old 07-17-2019, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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$2,000,000,000 or $3,000,000,000 might help.... maybe. Just for that corridor.
Then it depends on where it goes downtown.
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Old 07-18-2019, 06:58 AM
 
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$2,000,000,000 or $3,000,000,000 might help.... maybe. Just for that corridor.
Then it depends on where it goes downtown.
Why so much?
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Old 07-18-2019, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Why so much?
Mostly acquiring right-of-way. It is insanely expensive. And if you want to avoid car/train intersections, the construction (and ROW) get more expensive.

Some interesting information in this article, although I think it misses a few points and is focused on the cost compared to Europe (instead of why it is so expensive in general):
https://www.citylab.com/transportati...the-us/551408/
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Old 07-18-2019, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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That is just a start guess on my own part. Rail of any kind is very expensive. To build all the proposed commuter rail lines around Austin would wind up in the tens of billions.

Look at the now defunct LA to San Francisco bullet train. They dropped it because they knew the cost overruns would easily bust the $100,000,000,000 projected budget. Plus the annual operation subsidies would run into the high hundreds of millions or low billions.

The CM rail line as it is cost about $300,000,000 years ago, and is way less efficient than the express bus routes.

Someone here with practical knowledge of the topic can probably give more accurate guesses.
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Old 07-18-2019, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I have no knowledge other than what I googled this morning, but the mystery seems to be why it cost 3X to 10X more in the U.S. (per mile) than in Europe and other developed countries. Best guess seems to be bureaucracy, it looks like.

Interestingly, it seems it wakes 4X as many workers to build a mile of subway in the US compared to the average in Europe. And it isn't like Europe is non-union or something.
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Old 07-18-2019, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Don’t forget to include the corruption factor, from the contractors to the politicians with greasy palms.

Look at the incredible cost and schedule differences between the projected and actual completed numbers for Boston’s Big Dig. And that was just to build a handful of highway miles, with just half of it underground. Tripled the original cost & time estimates.
Never ever believe what the government tells you what it is going to cost. I’ve seen way too much of it after watching it happen for 60+ years.

Yes, I’m a very cynical skeptic but know these projects will have to be done at some point.
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Old 07-18-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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Just wondering and reconfirming, this is only to expand the current diesle powered light rail with more branches to other suburbs (like the proposed Green Line) right? Or is this a real commuter rail like seen on the Metra in Chicago?

Is there any chance we will see the Green Line constructed? Also curious as to what would happen if they use the MoPAC railroad to run services ... I'm guessing this would never fly due to RoW issues and conflicts of interest with existing railroad freight traffic?

Another random question is, do you think they would ever consider heavy rail transit with grade seperation? Has DFW or Houston ever considered it?

Random completely unrelated thought: Everytime I see Trainwreck20 's name I just cant help but get a mental image of railcars tossed all over the MoPAC / Loop 1 with traffic backed up to infinity.... I just had to say that >_>
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