Terrible accident on 2222 (Bee Cave: apartment, home, living in)

[austinnerd]

Originally Posted by cBach

And for every person that has ridden 15 years without an accident, there are many more that rode a few months and got into a fatal accident. From a person that has known several people to succumb that way.

My father used to ride his motorcycle to the university, but after a couple of minor accidents he decided the joy of riding was not worth the risk of dying.

You do realize what would happen if you crash at 120 MPH on your motorcycle don't you?

I'm not saying people shouldn't own motorcycles. They are great for leisurely Sunday rides through the Hill Country, but they are not a safe commute alternative.

It's ironic how the same people that love to ride motorcycles don't realize the safety issues but when I ask why they have an F-150 or a giant mini-van or SUV they reply "because those little itty bitty cars are so unsafe" or "my big truck always wins in accidents". Those same people don't realize that "those itty bitty cars" win in accidents against motorcycles.

But don't worry, cognitive dissonance is common with most people.

Like Zembonz, I know many riders who commute and have not known anyone personally who has been killed in an accident. I know more folks who've died in auto accidents that motorcycle accidents. I used to commute every day for years, rain or shine, on my motorcycle. Yes, I have been in some accidents, but obviously I'm still kicking (and typing).

Your 120mph query is interesting, as I haven't heard to too many folks in 4 wheeled vehicles surviving 120mph crashes on the streets either, regardless of vehicle (assuming they drive something that can go that fast). I fail to see how the 120mph question is relevant since very few go that fast, esp while discussing commuting.

BTW, the motorcycle death rate is about 75 per 100000, true far higher than autos, but no where near "for every person that has ridden 15 years without an accident, there are many more that rode a few months and got into a fatal accident".

[Gorfml]

Originally Posted by chuck_steak

2222 has been a deathtrap for at least 50 years, that I know of. I'm fifty and had a close highschool friend die in a wreck on 2222 when we were 16. It was a lot worse back then. They've done many improvements on it since...less windy (straighter) and not as many rocks falling from cliffs, but it's still dangerous. I RARELY drive it for that reason and to this day it freaks me out.

remember when the real steep hill on 2222 had all the crosses from traffic fatalities at the bottom of it? there were dozens of crosses there. quite a site to see...

[CarnivalGal]

Originally Posted by ATX Homeboy

Oh yeah, i know this gonna **** people off but bicycles dont belong on any of those roads. JMO

AMEN! We were on on way downtown last Sunday - about 10:00 in the morning - and saw a cyclist damn near get hit and killed. The driver was not speeding at all, in fact he was going much slower than the speed limit, but there are no shoulders and absolutely no way to see a cyclist around some of those curves until it's too late.

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by Gorfml

remember when the real steep hill on 2222 had all the crosses from traffic fatalities at the bottom of it? there were dozens of crosses there. quite a site to see...

Are you referring to Tumbleweed Hill eastbound from 620?

I remember about 1959 or 1960 when a despondent UT student (after final exams) drove his old Ford westbound off the 2222 cliff where the road starts to curve and plunges downward towards Bull Creek. His point of departure was about where that "Mediterranean" McMansion now is on the curve. He was going so fast, he landed across the creek & hit the bank on the other side.

RIP

[Gorfml]

im talking about the biggest hill on 2222 between 620 and 360. back in the 80's and 90's there were dozens of crosses on the side of road where ppl met their end...

[ScoPro]

Yeah, that steep long hill just west of 620 sloping down to the east is called Tumbleweed Hill - named after the restaurant that was located off the north side near the top.

IIRC, it closed sometime in the '80s.

Seems that every year at least a couple people got wiped out on the curve at the bottom. It was/is very easy to get up to 80mph down that hill without even trying.

[cBach]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

Yeah, that steep long hill just west of 620 sloping down to the east is called Tumbleweed Hill - named after the restaurant that was located off the north side near the top.

IIRC, it closed sometime in the '80s.

Seems that every year at least a couple people got wiped out on the curve at the bottom. It was/is very easy to get up to 80mph down that hill without even trying.

I learned something new today. Now there is a large Baptist church going up where I suspect the Tumbleweed Hill restaurant stood.

[Gorfml]

oh yeah...tumbleweed lol

that curve used to be much more dangerous back then...

[TexasHorseLady]

I remember well the first time I drove 2222, in the dark, in my MGB, back when it was a challenge, when you were going out to the lake, not living at the lake and commuting in. It's been widened/straightened considerably since then, into a pale shadow of its former self, because so many of the people who moved out to the lake and commuted in apparently didn't seem to be able to drive OR slow down.

[Gorfml]

as long as no one is in front of me or bad weather, I dont brake down that hill to see how fast I can get before the turn. usually right under 80... good times...