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Old 10-29-2009, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I mean no bull "how green is Austin"?.......

Do you see evidence of a overarching green mindset, with hybrids all over the road, smaller cars, organic groceries, public transportation, alternative energy options from utilities, citywide bike paths?

OR, do you see hellish traffic, belching SUV's and trucks, mega "fat folks" groceries like H-E-B's, public transport an afterthought at best, same old energy hogging options, and an abject lack of bike only paved trails city-wide?

So, is Austin just another metro full of energy whores, or are we actually something different,a trend of better, newer, different things to come?

Can we reasonably expect a "Green revolution" in Austin anytime soon?

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Old 10-29-2009, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I would say it's a mix of both. With some of the 1st...and A LOT of the 2nd.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:14 PM
 
Location: central Austin
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I give props to Austin Energy, they are truly green with ideas, projects, incentives, that have been in place for years (sometimes decades) that other cities and regions are just starting to employ.

Growth by its nature is not green and our region has had lots of growth. And much of that has occurred outside of city limits where the state allows counties very few tools to manage, direct or "green" growth.

In my central austin bubble (walking to the library, pumpkin patch, grocery store and park) I see plenty of solar panels, solar water heaters and green built houses but that's hardly all of Austin.

But I will tell you that green features (insulation, radiant barriers, low-E windows) do not sell houses (even central), buyers still focus on granite counters and sparkling hardwoods.
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:28 PM
 
Location: 78747
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Austin Energy was the precursor to USGBC and paved the way for the national sustainable building program:


an Austin's Green Building Timeline

1985
Energy Star Program created by Austin City Council as one of many new energy conservation programs to delay the construction of a new power plant
1991
Green Building Program evolves from Energy Star Program®.
Residential rating tool created
1992
First Sustainable Building Sourcebook written by GB staff
1993
Green Building Program wins award for Local Government Initiatives at the United Nations Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro
Austin City Council passes resolution to implement sustainable building into City facilities
1994
Green Building Program becomes charter member of the United States Green Building Council (USGBC); second generation of the residential rating tool introduced Green Building Program partners with Public Works Dept. to develop sustainable building guidelines for municipal projects
1995
Commercial Green Building Program begins
1997
Third generation of the residential rating tool introduced
1998
Green Building Program becomes part of Austin Energy, the City's municipally-owned electric utility; Multi-Family rating tool created;
Green Building Program and Austin Energy sponsor "Our House" television series to promote energy efficiency and green building
1999
Green Building Program Web site launched
2000
Austin City Council passes resolution requiring Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED™) Silver rating for all municipal buildings; Green By Design CD-ROM created as public education tool; Manage It Green consulting services begin with mission to help other cities and utilities create green building programs
2001
City of Austin becomes part of Smart Growth Network; City of Austin adopts International Energy Conservation Code with local amendments; the program begins offering quarterlyGreen By Design workshops for consumers; over 3,000 homes rated since the program's inception
2002
Austin hosts first USGBC National Conference; Program receives Outstanding Green Building Program award from the National Association of Homebuilders; American Consortium for an Energy Efficient Economy recognizes Green Building Program as an "exemplary program"
2003
Green Building Program receives Public Sector Leadership Award from the USGBC; version 7.0 of the residential rating tool released
2004
Of the ten homes on the Austin Chapter of the American Institute of Architects annual home tour, five are Green-rated homes
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Old 10-29-2009, 07:29 PM
 
Location: 78747
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I'm biased because my spouse and I are LEEP AP's and I'm invested in solar stock. Not to mention, future evidence is found in today's Statesman:
statesman.com

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Old 10-30-2009, 11:32 AM
 
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I mean no bull "how green is Austin"?.......

Do you see evidence of a overarching green mindset, with hybrids all over the road, smaller cars, organic groceries, public transportation, alternative energy options from utilities, citywide bike paths?

Not where I live. Out by Slaughter lane you see car, car, truck, truck, car . . . no organic grocery stores really nearby. Newflower is supposed to be a step in that direction but it's not close and quite honestly I was a bit disappointed in the place when I visited. Nobody uses the bus in my neighborhood except for my family and a few teenagers. Of course, the fact that we are practically in New Braunfels and that taking one of CapMet's slow as molasses buses downtwon will cost you 45 minutes of your life, probably has something to do with it. I take walks in the little neighborhoods nearby and don't see any solar panels, etc. Bike paths? Nope. In the park behind our complex maybe, and there are bike lanes on Slaughter, but I'd say a million gazillion prayers before I'd even dare ride a bike on that road. I've also seen roadside crosses nearby so that doesn't encourage me much.

OR, do you see hellish traffic, belching SUV's and trucks, mega "fat folks" groceries like H-E-B's, public transport an afterthought at best, same old energy hogging options, and an abject lack of bike only paved trails city-wide?

Unfortunately, yes.

So, is Austin just another metro full of energy whores, or are we actually something different,a trend of better, newer, different things to come?

My feeling, as is the case with most things Austin proclaims itself to be a "leader" on, it's doing well for Texas. It could probably do a lot better, but I think green living, if it's to be successful at all levels of income and in all neighborhoods, will require a bit of incentivizing and opportunities to educate people as to how such decisions can serve to benefit them personally. Green living isn't about being selfish, but my feeling is that you have to show people what's in it for them before they're willing to make the requisite sacrifices.


Can we reasonably expect a "Green revolution" in Austin anytime soon?

Not sure . . . but I know it won't be televised.
Also . . . as an apartment dweller it would be nice if there were more recycling opportunities for us troglodytes. We may not be fabulous homeowners, but we do produce rubbish. We've made efforts to have management strengthen the presence of recycling receptacles in the complex to no avail. Also, quite a few residents aren't really properly educated as to what can and cannot be recycled so the one bin our complex of 30+ units must share ends up loaded with people's extra trash. It stinks. Literally and figuratively.

Anyone think those fabulous red and grey trains will do anything for Austin's "green-ness?"
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I mean no bull "how green is Austin"?.......

Do you see evidence of a overarching green mindset, with hybrids all over the road, smaller cars, organic groceries, public transportation, alternative energy options from utilities, citywide bike paths?

OR, do you see hellish traffic, belching SUV's and trucks, mega "fat folks" groceries like H-E-B's, public transport an afterthought at best, same old energy hogging options, and an abject lack of bike only paved trails city-wide?

So, is Austin just another metro full of energy whores, or are we actually something different,a trend of better, newer, different things to come?

Can we reasonably expect a "Green revolution" in Austin anytime soon?
Trucks and SUVs far outnumber hybrids. Austin, like everywhere else in Texas, is designed around cars. Lots of big-box retailers and large chain grocers (why must it be locally-owned to be "green", though?). I don't know anyone who bikes to work. Public transportation here is a joke. The only one I know who walks to work lives across the street.
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Old 10-30-2009, 12:17 PM
 
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Trucks and SUVs far outnumber hybrids. Austin, like everywhere else in Texas, is designed around cars. Lots of big-box retailers and large chain grocers (why must it be locally-owned to be "green", though?). I don't know anyone who bikes to work. Public transportation here is a joke. The only one I know who walks to work lives across the street.

I'm only guessing . . . perhaps because it means less carbon emission resulted in the creation and transport of the product? I have a friend who will only drink Iconoclast wine (from out in Fredericksburg I think . . . it's good stuff, but drinking is bad kids! ahem) as opposed to Argentian, Chilean, or even Californian wine because the idea is that there weren't trucks driven across the way to deliver the stuff. So perhaps by extension of you think of people who only buy local produce and things they're hoping to reduce emissions, discourage purchases of products imported longer distances, and thus reduce one's "carbon footprint." Plus, the hope is that locally-owned stores will have their finger on the community's pulse and do a better job of providing them with products better-suited to their needs. Think BookPeople versus Borders.

That's my guess. (I'm starting to dig these emoticon thingies!)
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I mean no bull "how green is Austin"?.......

Do you see evidence of a overarching green mindset, with hybrids all over the road, smaller cars, organic groceries, public transportation, alternative energy options from utilities, citywide bike paths?

OR, do you see hellish traffic, belching SUV's and trucks, mega "fat folks" groceries like H-E-B's, public transport an afterthought at best, same old energy hogging options, and an abject lack of bike only paved trails city-wide?

So, is Austin just another metro full of energy whores, or are we actually something different,a trend of better, newer, different things to come?

Can we reasonably expect a "Green revolution" in Austin anytime soon?
Your post is in many ways ridiculous.

What is a belching SUV? A Chevy Tahoe emits no more greenhouse gases than a Mercedes.

Is Whole Foods for skinny people? Does their premium lasagna have less fat than another? We do almost all of our food shopping at HEB and I have a BMI under 25. Is that good enough? I eat bacon sometimes too.

So do you propose taxing us all more so that I can install my own solar panels or private windmill?

I think a "green revolution" is just as unlikely in Austin as it is anywhere else. A steady march on the other hand seems possible and perhaps even probable. It is hard to prove but I think Austin already has more small cars vs. large cars than other cities in Texas.

As a "wired" city Austin has many people that do not drive to work at all. I know many software people that live in Austin and work for California software companies.

You ignored an issue that could be more pressing than anything else - water. San Antonio is already suffering serious pain and Austin may only be a few years behind.
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Old 10-30-2009, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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Your post is in many ways ridiculous.

What is a belching SUV? A Chevy Tahoe emits no more greenhouse gases than a Mercedes.

Is Whole Foods for skinny people? Does their premium lasagna have less fat than another? We do almost all of our food shopping at HEB and I have a BMI under 25. Is that good enough? I eat bacon sometimes too.

So do you propose taxing us all more so that I can install my own solar panels or private windmill?

I think a "green revolution" is just as unlikely in Austin as it is anywhere else. A steady march on the other hand seems possible and perhaps even probable. It is hard to prove but I think Austin already has more small cars vs. large cars than other cities in Texas.

As a "wired" city Austin has many people that do not drive to work at all. I know many software people that live in Austin and work for California software companies.

You ignored an issue that could be more pressing than anything else - water. San Antonio is already suffering serious pain and Austin may only be a few years behind.
Well said. I too agree that water is the most important resource to consider in Austin.

Inthecut, I'm really not picking on you here, but just what is the deal with your rehashing of subject after subject after subject with the same exaggerated tone of doom and gloom? Surely I'm not the only Austin forum regular here who notices your distinctive pattern of hyperbole.
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