10-31-2009, 01:45 PM
Location: Austin
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The really poor infrastructure of this city does not help matters much. I just spent some time in Denver, with family, and I was in awe of how well laid out that place is. The street names are alphabetized, sidewalks everywhere, it was a complete breeze getting places. I was feeling a little envious of them when I left. I wish there was something we could do to make Austin a less frustrating place to drive in. This is such an amazing city. Why was it planned so poorly?
Very simple explanation....they never expected so much growth, and let the population double while at best increasing carrying capacity 25%, with a huge 25% overhang....that overhang, the difference between what Austin planned for and what they got(growth), is the very cause of the pain and aggravation you encounter driving in the city and even most burbs.....
Another oddity....lack of left turn lanes at many lights, which make you turn right, and have to pull a 360 through the side streets to go west....
Also, bad signage, per Cedar Park, which has a confusing one way entrance/exit that causes one to drive into traffic head-on like I did at first encountering the sign.....
So blame it on lack of planning/foresight......
Side thought...the TV is on in the background, and they have Billy May pitching a product.....so surreal to have that booming voice from hell pitching products
long past rigor mortis........even the grave didn't stop "Ole Billy" from hawking junk!
10-31-2009, 01:58 PM
Location: Austin
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Campeador, "driving friendly" Texas-style (as I learned it as my Daddy's knee and observed it being practiced up until about 20 years ago) meant such things as letting people into the flow of traffic when they needed to be if you could do so safely, pulling over to let someone by (I actually thought that was the purpose of the wide shoulders on our roads, that they were built specifically for that), not tailgaiting, basically, being considerate of your fellow drivers on the road. "Friendly" and "considerate" were the same thing.
As I said, it was about 20-25 years ago that the arrival of a large number of people with a different, less considerate driving style was the beginning of the end. For a while, Texans continued to drive friendly in the face of it, but sadly, human nature being what it is, they started reacting badly and copying the behavior that was being done to them. I still try to drive friendly as much as possible without causing a wreck (yes, it really is hard sometimes to do that without causing a traffic hazard when others are doing the "it's all about me and I never matured past the age of three" driving style), and I really do observe a lot of other people doing the same, but sometimes it feels like a losing battle that started long ago with the influx of Californians and New Yorkers that I spoke about. I'm absolutely sure that they're not trying to cause problems; they're just driving as it is normally practiced where they come from.
The greater number of people doesn't help, but that's really pretty much an excuse for behaving badly. All of the drivers could drive friendly and the problems would be lessened.
Of course, that would require planning ahead if you're in a hurry and leaving to allow yourself some time, and realizing that really, the world is NOT all about you and sometimes you won't have instant gratification on the road, and, yes, the traffic laws - ALL of them, including speeding - do apply to you no matter which lane you're in, and you don't push in line on the road any more than you were allowed to in kindergarten but you can let people in to be nice, and a few other ideas that are apparently incomprehensible to some.
Indeed, much of it is lack of social skills....in the past, people did not put a wall of portable electronica between themselves and others....no cell phones, Ipods, or Internet to isolate and excuse lack of social interaction.
At most, back then you could just read a paper or book for that interpersonal wall, but then people would ask what you were reading, and it ended up more a conversational STARTER than anything else...
All electronica does is shut us off from human intercommunication, and destroy social skills that 70's and pre 70's Texas drivers had in spades....
You would actually have to re-engineer society for that, and actually I think it can be done.....we just have to reconceptualize MARKETING, but thats a whole nother post......
And ironic how Austin's growth all came from Marketing.....simply a "City as advertising agency" concept....lord, does Austin know how to market itself, bless its soul!
10-31-2009, 05:04 PM
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Have you ever driven in Mexico?
They are now here without drivers licenses, or insurance, but now they are able to buy guns.
It is a bad situation, that ends tragically.
10-31-2009, 05:30 PM
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Sadly, road rage is nothing new in Austin. When they catch this guy he will probably be a local moron.
Enh, I don't know. I'm from California, and I consider considerate driving to be a very important aspect of driving. But you know, I'm a native Californian! Those *other* Californians you're referring to probably moved to California from someplace else before they moved here...so, it's not *our* fault, right? Right!
10-31-2009, 05:34 PM
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[quote=TexasHorseLady;11422968]As I said, it was about 20-25 years ago that the arrival of a large number of people with a different, less considerate driving style was the beginning of the end. For a while, Texans continued to drive friendly in the face of it, but sadly, human nature being what it is, they started reacting badly and copying the behavior that was being done to them. I still try to drive friendly as much as possible without causing a wreck (yes, it really is hard sometimes to do that without causing a traffic hazard when others are doing the "it's all about me and I never matured past the age of three" driving style), and I really do observe a lot of other people doing the same, but sometimes it feels like a losing battle that started long ago with the influx of Californians and New Yorkers that I spoke about. I'm absolutely sure that they're not trying to cause problems; they're just driving as it is normally practiced where they come from.
The greater number of people doesn't help, but that's really pretty much an excuse for behaving badly. All of the drivers could drive friendly and the problems would be lessened. [quote]
I have to respectfully disagree here. Californians are not any more rude while driving than any one else. I don't know about New York habits, but the idea that anyone who is not a native Texan is "less considerate" is pretty xenophobic. I think the increasing traffic unfriendliness (in lots of cities) is due to a very quickly growing population, with resultant crowding. Humans are like any other animal: when they are crowded, they start fighting. And the city also has not kept up with infrasturcture needs, also a common problem. We need transportation solutions. Government has not been willing to come up with long term strategies, and taxpayers have been unwilling to let themselves be taxed for more workable transportation solutions. We reap what we sew.
10-31-2009, 05:48 PM
Location: Central Texas
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G Grasshopper, I grant you, it may have been pure coincidence that I noticed the degradation in driving habits at the same time that there were a LOT more California and New York license plates arriving daily in Austin. I couldn't find anything else to explain it at the time, and the growth wasn't so much as that point as to explain it via the usual "blame infrastructure" and "driving is hell" arguments.
My point was that people who were not used to the courtesies that I described in my post you quoted being a matter of course (or who didn't even realize that those were courtesies or that the way they were driving was considered inconsiderate by the majority of Texas drivers, based on my own experiences driving in East, North, Central, and South Central Texas) were now driving on the roads in a way that was less than friendly OR considerate, and after a brief period of "What the heck are they doing?" Texans started fighting back, in the process degrading our own driving habits.
Whether those people were from California or New York or were ones who had very quickly changed their out of state plates and those from the two states mentioned were derelict in doing so and thus got the blame, the fact remains that an unusual driving style was introduced and it was bad enough to cause the previously considerate driving style to degrade. How do you explain it, given that crowding was not a factor then?
10-31-2009, 09:21 PM
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THL, You may be right. I wasn't living here 20 or 25 years ago, so I can't really make a judgement about the change you saw at that time. I have noticed that people are more likely to "drive friendly" in rural areas, no matter what state one is in, and that people are more likely to be aggressive drivers in cities. Perhaps it is because they live more fast-paced lives in the city, or crowding, or other things. Perhaps Austin started experiencing these problems as it became more of a city rather than a town. This is all pretty idle speculation on my part. But I do feel concerned whenever people start blaming all their troubles on "outsiders". It is easier to scapegoat someone we feel is the "other" than to accept that we could have done more to prevent or avoid the problems.
11-01-2009, 07:07 AM
Location: Austin
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I agree with the mention of fast-paced lifestyles. There are more demands on families, some of it of our own making as a society. People commute for longer distances to work and, even if they don't, late afternoons, evenings and even lunch hours are filled with racing to take care of daily responsibilities. It's demanding, time-wise and energy-wise and I think tries patience. However, we live this way as a society and it's hard to step back and say no to the lifestyle we've created.
11-01-2009, 07:24 AM
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As I said, it was about 20-25 years ago that the arrival of a large number of people with a different, less considerate driving style was the beginning of the end. For a while, Texans continued to drive friendly in the face of it, but sadly, human nature being what it is, they started reacting badly and copying the behavior that was being done to them.
sometimes it feels like a losing battle that started long ago with the influx of Californians and New Yorkers that I spoke about.
Oh co'mon you're not really serious are you? You're just joking...right?
11-01-2009, 07:48 AM
Location: Central Texas
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Nope, simply reporting my observations at the time. A great influx of California and New York license plates at the same time as a noticeable degradation in consideration in driving (driving becoming more of a competitive sport in which you don't let anyone else have an advantage over you rather than something that we're all in together and we do our best to make it work for everyone). Might not have any connection with each other other than that the two things happened simultaneously, but I'm not joking and I'm not joking about the feeling it engenders of it being a losing battle.
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Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)