11-01-2009, 09:33 AM
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I grew up in Tulsa, OK, which is smaller than Austin, and these types of incidents happened a couple of times a year. Also, I live in Dallas now and have been to Austin 3 times this year. Perhaps one would take the view that traffic is bad in Austin if they had been living there for some time, but it doesn't seem to bad relatively speaking. FYI, I visited during ACL a month ago, and during the workweek over the summer. During ACL, the traffic was only bad around Zilker. 35 wasn't that bad at all compared to Dallas traffic half of the time.
11-01-2009, 09:52 AM
Location: Hutto, Tx
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THL, You may be right. I wasn't living here 20 or 25 years ago, so I can't really make a judgement about the change you saw at that time. I have noticed that people are more likely to "drive friendly" in rural areas, no matter what state one is in, and that people are more likely to be aggressive drivers in cities. Perhaps it is because they live more fast-paced lives in the city, or crowding, or other things. Perhaps Austin started experiencing these problems as it became more of a city rather than a town. This is all pretty idle speculation on my part. But I do feel concerned whenever people start blaming all their troubles on "outsiders". It is easier to scapegoat someone we feel is the "other" than to accept that we could have done more to prevent or avoid the problems.
I think this is more likely, as around that time I lived in a small town near Houston and whenever we came up to visit friends my dad would always complain about how bad the drivers in Austin were.
11-01-2009, 10:11 AM
Location: Austin TX
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I've always respected your opinions THL but I'm sorry - I do find your attitude toward "outsiders", particularly Californians, to be rather xenophobic. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but didn't you mention once that you are not a native Texan yourself, that you moved here at a young age? If I'm mistaken I apologize but if I'm correct, I surely hope your family received a better welcome upon your arrival than what is offered to so many of us 'outsiders' today. The blaming and fingerpointing is understandable to a certain degree because Austin grew very big very fast and like any city dealing with unmitigated growth, things DO change for natives of any city ... but honestly, why don't we hear more complaining here about Austin's city government's greed and lack of growth control ... and less complaining about innocent people who simply moved here to better provide for their families?
Surely as a real estate agent you've profitted over the years yourself from the influx of 'outsiders' ... unless of course you extend your prejudice of outsiders to a higher level and sell homes only to Texas natives.
11-01-2009, 10:33 AM
Location: Central Texas
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Nope, I'm a fourth generation Texan through all four grandparents, more through a couple. But that's irrelevant.
It's not Californians or New Yorkers in particular (note that I didn't just say Californians), nor is it all outsiders. It's the problems that arise when a lot of people with different driving patterns move into an area and continue driving in the way that was customary where they come from (which is reasonable at first, really, it is, because that's what they're used to thinking of as good driving). You get people from varying areas with different criteria for "good" driving all driving on the same roads at the same time, and you have a mess unless the ones from elsewhere study up on the rules of the road in their new location (whether it be Los Angeles or NYC or Austin or Boston or Tampa). Unfortunately, what really seems to happen is that the majority falls to the lowest common denominator of courtesy and safety and friendliness on the road, and that's what I'm talking about.
I've also mentioned many many many times that I have no problem with people who move here from elsewhere because they love Austin, I welcome them, in fact. The only ones I have issues with are those who move here from elsewhere and then proceed to complain about how we don't do things the way they did where they came from or we should change our laws to match the ones where they came from or we should have the stores they had where they came from instead of enjoying the ones we have here. And that applies whether it's someone moving to Austin or to Los Angeles or to Boston or anywhere, or for that matter, people moving from the city to the country or vice versa. Or, for that matter, people moving to Austin from Dallas or vice versa and complaining because Austin isn't Dallas or Dallas isn't Austin. (I moved to Austin from Dallas some decades ago, for college, and stayed, but I moved here because I loved what it was, and never expected it to turn into Dallas to suit my preferences.)
So it's not a prejudice against outsiders, but a dislike of people such as those I describe above.
11-01-2009, 11:08 AM
Location: Austin TX
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Well, for what it's worth, my husband, a native Austinite of 51 years, moved five years ago to the Bay Area for work. It's interesting, because he used to come home from work while he lived there laughing at the meek and passive driving habits of Californians, and how he felt bad because he found himself inadvertantly bullying these timid drivers. He realized that his driving habits, developed over decades of driving in Austin, were responsible for his aggressive driving style in the Bay Area. Upon arriving back home to Austin he found that he had mellowed significantly over five years, and had to relearn aggressive driving habits in order to cope on Austin's freeways. I should note that my husband has a PhD in civil engineering from the University of Texas, and spent years in college studying traffic dynamics, and his conclusion is that drivers here are simply rats in a maze, and that the overcrowding and poor configuration of that maze is responsible for the hostile and dangerous driving patterns that we see today ... NOT a regional or cultural characteristic brought here by outsiders.
Your complaints about habits and behaviors of outsiders in Austin fall on deaf ears given that you have made your living profitting from helping in their relocation to Austin. In order to maintain some consistency between your actions and your words, you should probably administer both political and driving exams to your prospective clients before selling them homes and ultimately contributing to the problems you feel they bring.
11-01-2009, 02:51 PM
Location: Austin
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The changes THL wrote about are real. I agree that driving attitudes have changed over the past 4 decades. However, the transplants I know wouldn't drive aggressively, and neither would the native Austinites I know. So, who are these people? And do they differ that much from city to city? Even on the west coast, I've found that they don't. I hate to drive in other cities due to a combination of not being entirely familiar with the route and the behavior of some people when they get behind the wheel.
11-01-2009, 11:13 PM
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How about some other factors?
"King of the road": Apparently a large truck or luxury vehicle, combined with enough ego and attitude, allows one to pass through solid objects. Safety is not a concern, only social darwinism and status.
Racing youngsters: Gotta show off those wheels. Whether it's pimped out "urban" or the shiny new toy purchased with Daddy's money, they simply must be noticed at all costs.
Mobile phone booth: Being socially connected is more important than any of you. I've seen a busy housewife with three children in an older minivan maneuver through traffic with far more finesse and skill.
Horse blinders: These drivers will cut in front of another vehicle at highway speeds, with only 3-5 feet of space. It seems we really are falling behind in science education. (Since I'm the one who pays for brake repairs on my car, the next time this happens, I'm using the horn instead.)
11-01-2009, 11:24 PM
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I noticed a big difference on the roads after the driver's education requirements were loosened a few years ago. It looks like that is about to change:
House Bill 339
Increases the total hours of behind-the-wheel driving instruction a teen receives from 14 to 34 and creates an adult driver’s education requirement for applicants older than 18 and younger than 21.
Senate Bill 1317
Creates a six-hour driver’s education course required for driver’s license applicants 18 years of age or older. It also mandates that applicants 25 or under must submit to an approved driver’s education course. (Goes into effect March 1, 2010.)
11-02-2009, 07:52 AM
Location: Austin
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I used to believe in the King of the Road syndrome, until I took note of all of the small cars that were weaving in and out of traffic, cutting people off and acting aggressively on the road. I no longer believe it has so much to do with the vehicle as it does the driver. If status exists, then the status of driving a fuel-efficient car is also displayed on the road. An attitude of courtesy and consideration frequently doesn't seem to go along with the car.
11-02-2009, 08:02 AM
Location: Hutto, Tx
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How about some other factors?
"King of the road": Apparently a large truck or luxury vehicle, combined with enough ego and attitude, allows one to pass through solid objects. Safety is not a concern, only social darwinism and status.
Racing youngsters: Gotta show off those wheels. Whether it's pimped out "urban" or the shiny new toy purchased with Daddy's money, they simply must be noticed at all costs.
Mobile phone booth: Being socially connected is more important than any of you. I've seen a busy housewife with three children in an older minivan maneuver through traffic with far more finesse and skill.
Horse blinders: These drivers will cut in front of another vehicle at highway speeds, with only 3-5 feet of space. It seems we really are falling behind in science education. (Since I'm the one who pays for brake repairs on my car, the next time this happens, I'm using the horn instead.)
Hilarious!! As for what you posted below this, It's about time they increased the drive hours for drivers ed. The drunk dude behind me last night sure could have used it. Too bad I didn't have a phone on me so I could have turned him in. He brought tailgating to a whole new level. I was even in the slow lane going 60. He finally figured out that I wasn't going to speed up for him, so he moved to the fast lane and did the same thing to that person. They didn't speed up for him either and they were probably going 65 (this is on 79, which in many parts doesn't go above 55). Where is Williamson County when you REALLY need it?
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People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)