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Old 05-26-2012, 04:18 AM
 
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The big private hospitals have neurosurgery units. Not sure on the organ transplants. I guess somewhere like St Vincents Private might be doing them. I don't think there are any private NICU's (although I think the Mater in Brisbane might have one). I'm really pushing the bounds of my knowledge of the health system though!
At least you are honest in recognizing your own flaws!

Having private health coverage does NOT guarantee that you have will have access to the best care. This is because some private hospitals may not have the appropriate resources for your medical needs, despite their best intention. For example, some private hospitals don't even have a paedriatrics ward. As such, paedriatics patients often use public hospitals because it is the only place at which they can access appropriate care.

Furthermore, private hospitals don't always cater for emergencies. Patients with private coverage need to access the emergency department of the public system in order to be referred to the private hospital. Often, the patient is already treated and discharged home before a bed is made available at the private hospital

YES, the public system does have its downfalls - trying to manage scarce health resources in an efficient and effective manner will produce "winners and losers". However, the qualities that underpin our society - equal opportunity to health resources, access and care - are fashioned into our models of care.

Overall, it is a genuinely good system (staffed by genuinely decent people - myself included ).....just refrain from asking for another pillow or blanket and you should have a pleasant experience in the public hospital system.
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Old 05-26-2012, 07:08 PM
 
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You need to keep in mind the function of the private system is to take the pressure off the public system by getting those who can afford it to pay for private rooms, and get them out of the queue for things like elective surgery.
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Old 05-26-2012, 09:29 PM
 
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At least you are honest in recognizing your own flaws!

Having private health coverage does NOT guarantee that you have will have access to the best care. This is because some private hospitals may not have the appropriate resources for your medical needs, despite their best intention. For example, some private hospitals don't even have a paedriatrics ward. As such, paedriatics patients often use public hospitals because it is the only place at which they can access appropriate care.

Furthermore, private hospitals don't always cater for emergencies. Patients with private coverage need to access the emergency department of the public system in order to be referred to the private hospital. Often, the patient is already treated and discharged home before a bed is made available at the private hospital

YES, the public system does have its downfalls - trying to manage scarce health resources in an efficient and effective manner will produce "winners and losers". However, the qualities that underpin our society - equal opportunity to health resources, access and care - are fashioned into our models of care.

Overall, it is a genuinely good system (staffed by genuinely decent people - myself included ).....just refrain from asking for another pillow or blanket and you should have a pleasant experience in the public hospital system.
This is all true. I'm not sure I said anything negative about the public system.

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Other than that the public system has generally pretty good patient outcomes although for elective surgery you will usually spend a fair bit of time on a waiting list. The private health system affords a better standard of care and for elective surgery there is usually no wait time.
Australia has probably the number one or two public health system in the world (based on cancer survival rates etc). On a cost/outcome ratio I think it probably blows America's health system out of the water.
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Old 05-27-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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At least you are honest in recognizing your own flaws!

Having private health coverage does NOT guarantee that you have will have access to the best care. This is because some private hospitals may not have the appropriate resources for your medical needs, despite their best intention. For example, some private hospitals don't even have a paedriatrics ward. As such, paedriatics patients often use public hospitals because it is the only place at which they can access appropriate care.

Furthermore, private hospitals don't always cater for emergencies. Patients with private coverage need to access the emergency department of the public system in order to be referred to the private hospital. Often, the patient is already treated and discharged home before a bed is made available at the private hospital

YES, the public system does have its downfalls - trying to manage scarce health resources in an efficient and effective manner will produce "winners and losers". However, the qualities that underpin our society - equal opportunity to health resources, access and care - are fashioned into our models of care.

Overall, it is a genuinely good system (staffed by genuinely decent people - myself included ).....just refrain from asking for another pillow or blanket and you should have a pleasant experience in the public hospital system.
I agree, there is very, very good care available in the public system. The Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne is revered for their excellent work.
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Old 05-28-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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On a cost/outcome ratio I think it probably blows America's health system out of the water.
Yes, but that's not saying much. I would say every single single-payer health care system in the world beats the U.S. system. (I pay about $600 a month for family coverage, then must pay "co-pays" for actual visits to doctors or hospitals. And I'm one of the lucky ones, with a job that provides subsidized health insurance. The open market would run me $3,000 a month.)
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Old 05-28-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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Yes, but that's not saying much. I would say every single single-payer health care system in the world beats the U.S. system. (I pay about $600 a month for family coverage, then must pay "co-pays" for actual visits to doctors or hospitals. And I'm one of the lucky ones, with a job that provides subsidized health insurance. The open market would run me $3,000 a month.)
This underlines why Australians are grateful for our health system.

I often remind patients that it is their tax dollars which are paying for the provision of high standards of medical services, infrastructures and patient care. They get discharged with a better understanding of the health system and the vital role they play in upholding the standard for their community.

Admittedly, Australians are very supportive of their local hospitals and health-care professionals. The "open market" would leave very little room, if any, for equal opportunity to health resources, access and care.
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Old 05-28-2012, 05:05 PM
 
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I often remind patients that it is their tax dollars which are paying for the provision of high standards of medical services, infrastructures and patient care. They get discharged with a better understanding of the health system and the vital role they play in upholding the standard for their community.
You have to remind them? Who do they think is paying for it when they roll up?
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Old 05-28-2012, 06:07 PM
 
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You have to remind them? Who do they think is paying for it when they roll up?
its freeeeeeeeeeee
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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Australia has probably the number one or two public health system in the world (based on cancer survival rates etc). On a cost/outcome ratio I think it probably blows America's health system out of the water.
Impossible. Dont you know everything is better in America and Americans in ented everything useful on this planet?
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Old 05-29-2012, 03:34 PM
 
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This is all true. I'm not sure I said anything negative about the public system.



Australia has probably the number one or two public health system in the world (based on cancer survival rates etc). On a cost/outcome ratio I think it probably blows America's health system out of the water.
Really wonder why WHO places Australia at a relative low 32nd place in the world then? France is rated as first.
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